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Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by benterix »

strangescript wrote: post #28
benterix wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who is to say our brains aren't just very high parameterized biological floating point machines? That is the true Occam's Razor here, as uncomfortable as that might make people. I believe it's quite possible that what is happening during training is in certain ways similar to what is happening to a child learning the world, although there are many practical differences (and I don't even mean the difference between…

I am not convinced hallucinations is a solvable problem in a single self contained model. In one hand we approach these things with the idea we are building a real intelligence modeled after our assumptions of our own brain. In the other we want them to not have any of the failings of the things they are being modeled after. Humans mis-remember and make up things all the time, completely unintentionally. It could be…

Yes, I agree the council approach is the most reasonable option. But while you're right about mistakes being inherently human, there is a huge difference in both quantity and quality. Humans often err in details, LLMs can make false claims in a very confident way.

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by JimDabell »

tovej wrote: post #24
JimDabell wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm also a researcher and agree wholeheartedly with the article. The article says: > Yet, every time I tried to get LLMs to perform novel research, they fail because they don’t have access to existing literature on the topic. You say: > LLMs can maybe help you sift through existing literature > they can be used or background research in hypothesis generation by finding pairs of related terms in the literature As fa…

No, helping with chores is not the same as "performing research", it has limited utility for minor tasks, it is not essential and it does not even necessarily have a positive productivity impact. To illustrate the point, when I use vim to write LaTeX, would you say that vim is "performing research"?

The relevant part of what I quoted was not “performing research” it was “they don’t have access to existing literature”.

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by CyberDildonics »

echelon wrote: post #30
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While in theory you're right - AI tools can "democratize" filmmaking - what will make them unique? There was another anecdote, someone saying "this AI can generate 30.000 screenplays in a day!". Which is cool but... who is going to read them? In theory (idk it probably exists already) you can generate a script and feed it into an AI that generates a film. Novelty aside, who is going to watch it? And what if you gener…

Hollywood is nepo land. That's not fair. Do you know how many dreamers and artists and great ideas wither away on the vine? It's tragic. Movies are going to be like books today. And that's not a bad thing. Distribution is always the hard part. Indie games, indie music. You've still got to market yourself and find your audience. But the difference is that now it's possible. And you don't have to obey some large capita…

Hollywood is nepo land.

Says who?

Do you know how many dreamers and artists and great ideas wither away on the vine?

How many?

Movies are going to be like books today.

People are already creating movies with $1k cameras that look good enough to distribute. A lot of them are horror movies because of the budget and most of them are terrible with huge glaring mistakes in editing, pacing, framing, etc. but they can still make money.

And you don't have to obey some large capital distributor and mind their oversight and meddling.

How many movies have you worked on?

Most experienced executives can help guide priorities and make sure there aren't any big overlooked problems.

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by CyberDildonics »

tovej wrote: post #6
echelon wrote: post #2

I'm on the image and video side of AI. I see the claims being levied against LLMs, but in the generative media world these models are nothing short of revolutionary. In addition to being an engineer, I'm also a filmmaker. This tech has so many orders of magnitude changes to the production cycle: - Films can be made 5,000x cheaper (a $100M Disney film will be matched by small studios on budgets of $20,000.) - Films ca…

5000x is hilarious (as is 5x and 100x). When you make outlandish claims, at least provide a reference or analysis.

This person predicted two years ago that by now teenagers would be creating star wars quality movies in their bedrooms with AI.

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by echelon »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #33
echelon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hollywood is nepo land. That's not fair. Do you know how many dreamers and artists and great ideas wither away on the vine? It's tragic. Movies are going to be like books today. And that's not a bad thing. Distribution is always the hard part. Indie games, indie music. You've still got to market yourself and find your audience. But the difference is that now it's possible. And you don't have to obey some large capita…

Hollywood is nepo land. Says who? Do you know how many dreamers and artists and great ideas wither away on the vine? How many? Movies are going to be like books today. People are already creating movies with $1k cameras that look good enough to distribute. A lot of them are horror movies because of the budget and most of them are terrible with huge glaring mistakes in editing, pacing, framing, etc. but they can still…

> How many movies have you worked on?

Over a dozen.

> People are already creating movies with $1k cameras

Nobody wants to make an iPhone movie. They want $200k glass optics and a VFX budget like Nolan's or Villeneuve's.

I'm tired of people from outside the profession telling us we should be happy with quaint little things. That's not how the ideal world works. In the ideal world, everyone can tell the exact story in their minds and not be beset by budget.

My imagination is my ideal world. I won't listen to naysayers, because you're so far behind my dreams.

If this wasn't about to be practical, I'd relent. But the technology works. It's tangible, usable, and practical.

I've been saying that on HN since Deep Dream. My friends in IATSE also called this crazy. It's not. It's not just coming, it's here.

> A lot of them are horror movies because of the budget

Tell me about it. Been there, done that. It sucks to be so creatively stifled when what I wanted to make as a youth were fantasy movies like Lord of the Rings.

I got creative. I did mocap and VFX. It still wasn't what I dreamed of.

> How many?

Film school attendance is over 100,000 students annually. Most of them were never able to land a high autonomy role or be able to follow though on their dreams. I know hundreds of people with this story.

> A lot of them are horror movies because of the budget and most of them are terrible with huge glaring mistakes in editing, pacing, framing, etc

Sound. Sound is the biggest thing people fuck up. But the rest are real failure cases too.

> Most experienced executives can help guide priorities and make sure there aren't any big overlooked problems.

They're not as important as you think. They're just there to mind the investment.

When the cost of production drops to $30k, this entire model falls apart.

Studios were only needed for two things: (1) distribution, (2) capital. The first one is already solved.

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by tovej »

JimDabell wrote: post #32
tovej wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, helping with chores is not the same as "performing research", it has limited utility for minor tasks, it is not essential and it does not even necessarily have a positive productivity impact. To illustrate the point, when I use vim to write LaTeX, would you say that vim is "performing research"?

The relevant part of what I quoted was not “performing research” it was “they don’t have access to existing literature”.

That part we also agree on, generating hypotheses is done on the basis of existing literature, lit review (& related reasoning) is done on the basis of existing literature. The blog author is talking about reasoning in the context of a new research topic.

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Post by queenkjuul »

Completely nailed it. The comparison to Adderall and other drugs was exactly how I've been feeling about it all--i watch my boss excitedly post another LLM documentation PR, raving about how he never used to have time for these things, yet the actual output is unclear, ambiguous, and almost entirely useless. But it made him feel good to "get it done," and that alone has largely blinded him to how bad the output actually is, and how long it took him to get.

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Post by queenkjuul »

kolinko wrote: post #7

"Yet, every time I tried to get LLMs to perform novel research, they fail because they don’t have access to existing literature on the topic. Whereas, humans, on the other hand, discovered everything humanity knows." Just because the author was unable to wrangle LLM to do novel research doesn't mean that it's impossible. We already have examples of LLMs either doing or aiding significantly with novel research.

Well hold on now, are the LLMs doing novel research or not? "Aiding significantly" (as in, humans doing novel research are using LLMs to aid their process) is not remotely the same -- can you show us examples of LLMs doing novel research?

Researchers using GPT to summarize papers may be helping humans create novel research, but it certainly isn't GPT doing any such thing itself.

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Post by queenkjuul »

kaonwarb wrote: post #5
echelon wrote: post #2

I'm on the image and video side of AI. I see the claims being levied against LLMs, but in the generative media world these models are nothing short of revolutionary. In addition to being an engineer, I'm also a filmmaker. This tech has so many orders of magnitude changes to the production cycle: - Films can be made 5,000x cheaper (a $100M Disney film will be matched by small studios on budgets of $20,000.) - Films ca…

I agree the impact on generative media is huge. But I also do not think anyone is making a $100m-equivalent film for $20k anytime soon. Disprove me by doing it!

Don't hold your breath

Re: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too

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Post by queenkjuul »

echelon wrote: post #35
CyberDildonics wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hollywood is nepo land. Says who? Do you know how many dreamers and artists and great ideas wither away on the vine? How many? Movies are going to be like books today. People are already creating movies with $1k cameras that look good enough to distribute. A lot of them are horror movies because of the budget and most of them are terrible with huge glaring mistakes in editing, pacing, framing, etc. but they can still…

> How many movies have you worked on? Over a dozen. > People are already creating movies with $1k cameras Nobody wants to make an iPhone movie. They want $200k glass optics and a VFX budget like Nolan's or Villeneuve's. I'm tired of people from outside the profession telling us we should be happy with quaint little things. That's not how the ideal world works. In the ideal world, everyone can tell the exact story in…

People want $200k optics, but will settle for an AI, where they wouldn't settle for an iPhone?

What?

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