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Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

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Re: Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

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Post by d4rkn0d3z »

profstasiak wrote: post #26
d4rkn0d3z wrote: post #21

Right, because age verification has totally put a stop to underage drinking and drug use. Q: If I am a teenager wanting to access content that is prohibited by age verification, who is mostly likely the party that will provide access? A: The local drug dealer or extremist. This means a new market is born.

we can obviously use highschool logic for that, or we can see studies. I don't really have time to go deeply into this, but here is your official government source saying that age limit for alcohol works by limiting deaths etc from alcohol use for people under 21 https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/underage-drinking/minimum-legal-...

This study says that when you tell young people underage drinking is illegal then underage people report their drinking less.

Re: Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

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Post by [deleted] »

profstasiak wrote: post #23
impossiblefork wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how you can see it as okay from the point of view of European culture though. Age verification requires treating a website, not as some random person, but as a platform which has control of content and some responsibility. Age verification requires giving websites information that they should not have. Surely the European perspective should be that it is not Reddit's business whether I am 50 or 15.…

it is societies business to limit certain illegal activities both online and offline. Most countries including USA have Indecent Exposure laws, prohibiting women for example from flashing their breasts on the street. Yet somehow online adult women are able to "flash" homemade videos of them making sex with multiple partners, and you somehow think it's ok for children age 11 to view this with no responsibility on redd…

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Re: Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

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Post by JohnFen »

profstasiak wrote: post #23
impossiblefork wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how you can see it as okay from the point of view of European culture though. Age verification requires treating a website, not as some random person, but as a platform which has control of content and some responsibility. Age verification requires giving websites information that they should not have. Surely the European perspective should be that it is not Reddit's business whether I am 50 or 15.…

it is societies business to limit certain illegal activities both online and offline. Most countries including USA have Indecent Exposure laws, prohibiting women for example from flashing their breasts on the street. Yet somehow online adult women are able to "flash" homemade videos of them making sex with multiple partners, and you somehow think it's ok for children age 11 to view this with no responsibility on redd…

> Obviously one can have this kind of naive liberalism view, that anything goes.

Very few people think this.

The issue isn't "anything goes", the issue is the expansion of surveillance. There is no way that I'm willing to subject myself to that. If that's a requirement for using a web site, then that web site is not suitable for me, so these laws make the web even smaller than it has already become.

Re: Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

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Post by FMecha »

impossiblefork wrote: post #14
1W6MIC49CYX9GAP wrote: post #8

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They'll just ban those

They probably won't be able to. There's a legal right to end-to-end encryption and there's nothing preventing you from making a system look like HTTPS.

Have you heard of the hush-hush over Chat Control, a recurring theme on this site? It's getting to the point that they could shoehorn that with age verification push.

Re: Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

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Post by FMecha »

profstasiak wrote: post #12

I love this. I don't think children should be seeing what they can see on the Internet (we limit what movies or games they can buy, but hey - you can go online and watch hardcore porn, or people getting killed on video even when you are 12). I also love that EU is working on a digital wallet that can facilitate that age check - I would for someone to make a social media with only verified people living in EU. Why do…

How is that digital wallet even going, though? Last time I heard the Digital Euro proposal still faces several hurdles - including privacy.

Re: Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

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Post by dyauspitr »

exe34 wrote: post #17
dyauspitr wrote: post #5

Probably for the best, the internet is a pretty shitty place now.

It's really important to make sure the 16 year olds that are about to get the vote in the UK remain uninformed about what's going on in the UK and the wider world - we don't want them to start voting the wrong way now, do we?

Why? What do you have against trans people?

Re: Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

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Post by aaaja »

profstasiak wrote: post #12

I love this. I don't think children should be seeing what they can see on the Internet (we limit what movies or games they can buy, but hey - you can go online and watch hardcore porn, or people getting killed on video even when you are 12). I also love that EU is working on a digital wallet that can facilitate that age check - I would for someone to make a social media with only verified people living in EU. Why do…

Agreed. Now that web access is so readily available, it's about time online service providers started taking more responsibility for what they publish and who can access it. That short-lived era of the Internet being only for tech-savvy adults is long gone. The online world is the real world now.

People often use the phrase "think of the children!" mockingly, but we really do need to think about their welfare and what sort of society we want them to develop and grow up in, and that includes the part of society that is mediated online.

Despite the criticisms people have over some of the detail in these new regulations, I see this as a very positive first step in the right direction.

Re: Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

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Post by waste_monk »

profstasiak wrote: post #27
lm28469 wrote: post #10

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> Dunno, unless it's like, a bank or government service, no one is getting a copy of my ID or CC just so I can view their fkin website. Same, companies underestimate how interested I am in using their websites. Last month I uninstalled instagram because it asked me to pay or get more ads, every other post was already either an ad or a promotional post, I left. The vast majority of websites are already unusable or ful…

so it's actually good for society? :) We can go outside and see a sun again

>We can go outside and see a sun again

At least until they figure out how to put ads on it.

Re: Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

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Post by exe34 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #36
exe34 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really important to make sure the 16 year olds that are about to get the vote in the UK remain uninformed about what's going on in the UK and the wider world - we don't want them to start voting the wrong way now, do we?

Why? What do you have against trans people?

I don't.

Re: Ready or not, age verification is rolling out across the internet

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Post by impossiblefork »

profstasiak wrote: post #23
impossiblefork wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how you can see it as okay from the point of view of European culture though. Age verification requires treating a website, not as some random person, but as a platform which has control of content and some responsibility. Age verification requires giving websites information that they should not have. Surely the European perspective should be that it is not Reddit's business whether I am 50 or 15.…

it is societies business to limit certain illegal activities both online and offline. Most countries including USA have Indecent Exposure laws, prohibiting women for example from flashing their breasts on the street. Yet somehow online adult women are able to "flash" homemade videos of them making sex with multiple partners, and you somehow think it's ok for children age 11 to view this with no responsibility on redd…

I'm not a liberal, but I believe that democracy requires a free public conversation.

Combat videos are not pornography.

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