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North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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But are they any good? I suppose they must be, as they seem to retain their jobs, but how do they rank overall? Also, I tend to think that maintaining these interactions going might be a way to let more information into Naughty Korea and might actually have a positive influence in the long run.

They're very good. They get training directly from the regime.

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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post #10

> Jin-su spent most of his time trying to secure fraudulent identities which he could use to apply for jobs. He would first pose as Chinese, and contact people in Hungary, Turkey and other countries to ask them to use their identity in exchange for a percentage of his earnings, he told the BBC. "If you put an 'Asian face' on that profile, you'll never get a job." He would then use those borrowed identities to approac…

Over the past years I was approached multiple times with innocent sounding emails that clearly had the goal to use my identity in the way described here.

I‘ve always simply ignored these.

Is there a better way?

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

#33
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> basic background checks on new employees? yes background check is done on UK person's identity and then Jin-su shows up to the job. This is a happening a lot for regular tech jobs. Person who interviews and person who shows up for job are completely different ppl. we had to start taking screenshots of faces in interview so we can compare. This is happening big time.

Ok makes sense. So only once you see his face in the interview you realize it’s not the UK person?

We've had people interview remarkably well, get hired, and when they showed up on the team - they did not know the stories/experiences they mentioned in the interview. Realized the person we screened was not the same that showed up to work. Back when we were doing a lot of hiring, this sort of scam worked.

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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post #10

> Jin-su spent most of his time trying to secure fraudulent identities which he could use to apply for jobs. He would first pose as Chinese, and contact people in Hungary, Turkey and other countries to ask them to use their identity in exchange for a percentage of his earnings, he told the BBC. "If you put an 'Asian face' on that profile, you'll never get a job." He would then use those borrowed identities to approac…

> basic background checks on new employees? yes background check is done on UK person's identity and then Jin-su shows up to the job. This is a happening a lot for regular tech jobs. Person who interviews and person who shows up for job are completely different ppl. we had to start taking screenshots of faces in interview so we can compare. This is happening big time.

And, at least as far as I've heard, those people often target small-ish companies, something like 20-100 employees. Large enough where you can stay unnoticed, small enough that you don't have strict policies and background checks.

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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perfect example of why you shouldn’t bother hiring these cheap offshore engineers. you’re hiring an engineer thousands of miles away in another country for a fraction of the cost of an American engineer and you just assume they can be trusted with access to your most sensitive data and systems? And that they even are who they say they are and not just a frontman for some cabal?

They thought they were hiring American engineers, though.

The only way to prevent this is to do in-person only, but that's another can of worms.

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

#36
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Its quite presumptuous to assume that 1. Every citizen will have ties or family to -think of- 2. The current regime (which is now on its third generation) will last 7 generations more. 3. You have any descendants at all

I admit this is a presumption, but I doubt they send people out without leverage of some sort.

dictatorships are the worst. but true, even professional athlete's when travelling defect etc

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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post #17

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No. They don't need to worry about defections. Unless the guy really wants condemn his whole extended family and next 7 generations into labor camps.

Its quite presumptuous to assume that 1. Every citizen will have ties or family to -think of- 2. The current regime (which is now on its third generation) will last 7 generations more. 3. You have any descendants at all

In Romania during the 70s and 80s the only people who would go to specialization/training in the West had spouse and kids that stayed behind. The punishment for defecting was that the defector would not see their wife/husband/kids ever again (well, it seemed to be for ever. Nobody expected the regime to crumble). AFAIK there were no labor camps in Romania.

With this in mind-I am quite sure NK is selecting the people win a similar fashion. I would not be surprised if the punishment for defection is more sinuster than just not seeing their spouse/kids ever again.

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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Maybe it's not so bad in North Korea? :)

It’s bad but not as bad as we’re made to believe, people still have lives worth living. They live, they laugh, they love. They do fun normal stuff, they have free thoughts, they have family.

People will see kids laughing and playing in a war zone and think “it can’t be that bad, if it was that bad they’d be cowering in fear 24/7” - but people always find a way to live and find snippets of joy in even the worst situations

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's not so bad in North Korea? :)

It’s bad but not as bad as we’re made to believe, people still have lives worth living. They live, they laugh, they love. They do fun normal stuff, they have free thoughts, they have family.

Oh my God, you are so naive. Normal stuff in NK is watching your kids wasting away because of lack of calories (average North Korean is 10 inches shorter than average South Korean-even though 70nyears ago they were the same people genetically). Is living with a radio in your home that does not stop singing praise to the regime - neighbors will report you if they think you turned off the radio. If they have free thoughts they do not share these out of their family (and most likely hide them from their kids because kids talk unsupervised). I could go on for a page or so but I hope you get the idea.

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

#40
post #21

But are they any good? I suppose they must be, as they seem to retain their jobs, but how do they rank overall? Also, I tend to think that maintaining these interactions going might be a way to let more information into Naughty Korea and might actually have a positive influence in the long run.

I interviewed one guy who probably was one of them and he was not a genius enough that I could ignore the aura of confusion and sus. I didn't think it was NK until way later but now it makes sense

Probably got lucky otherwise I would have no work myself because I think the client isn't that rich, they would go out of business from ransomware attack

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