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Scammers unleash flood of online gaming sites

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Re: Scammers unleash flood of online gaming sites

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Tangentially, I haven't received a Pig Butchering opening text ("hey") in quite a while. A quick scan through my Spam & Blocked doesn't show much either, just a lot of political spam. Did something happen to improve the situation, or am I just lucky?

I get between 5-10 per day, so I’d say you’re just lucky.

Re: Scammers unleash flood of online gaming sites

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post #6

“We were being spammed relentlessly by these scam posts from compromised or purchased [Discord] accounts,” Thereallo said. “I got frustrated with just banning and deleting, so I started to investigate the infrastructure behind the scam messages. This is not a one-off site, it’s a scalable criminal enterprise with a clear playbook, technical fingerprints, and financial infrastructure.” This quote does not read like so…

17 year olds come in many flavors.

possibly, or possibly someone brushing up the original quote on the 17 year old's behalf.

Re: Scammers unleash flood of online gaming sites

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you thought you had won thousands of dollars you would likely be tempted to pay a hundred to get that out.

Well there's the problem, who honestly thinks they won thousands of dollars from an ad?

I had a girlfriend years ago that was an extreme optimist. She was a very intelligent person, very outgoing and very successful. She believed everyone was good, and no one ever did anything bad. We got into an argument once over this exact same thing - she thought she'd won a new laptop from some sort of popup ad; all she had to do was fill out some sort of form with a bunch of private info. I told her it was an obvious scam, and she got really defensive, telling me that I'm always so cynical and if I expect the worst from people, that's all I'm gonna get. I talked her out of submitting the private info to the form, but yeah, I can totally understand how reasonably intelligent people would fall victim to something like that. There's different motivations, but for my ex-girlfriend, it was her refusal to accept that people can be bad (take advantage of others).

Re: Scammers unleash flood of online gaming sites

#34

A random website asks me to give them my cryptocurrency, and then they refuse to return it? Why, I thought I had seen the most shocking thing on earth, but this takes the cake!

I don't understand who keeps falling for this stuff. The victims are not all 90 year old grannies suffering from cognitive decline.

I've got a coworker who fell for, "You won a free electric drill from Home Depot! Click here and enter your credit card". I discovered his predicament when he was telling me how he managed to get an overseas vendor to agree to reduce a credit card charge he didn't recognize in half. That got me to pull a bit on the thread and the whole story unraveled. What it came down to, apparently, was simple gullibility. He didn't know if the drill prize was legit, but he just didn't think he would be targeted in a scam, so he figured, "Why not? Worst that happens is I don't get my drill."

Re: Scammers unleash flood of online gaming sites

#35
post #4

Not online gaming. Online gambling.

This (i.e., gambling specifically) is a very common definition of the word "gaming". Certainly that predates online video games, obviously.

You can’t call negative things gaming. You can gamify anything, but if it’s negative you can’t call it gaming. Gaming is always good and never causes any problems. Plenty of research shows that gaming is good. Please stop villainizing gaming. Gaming is good. If it’s negative, just call it what it is. Gambling, addiction, radicalization, etc all are just that. They have nothing to do with gaming. Gaming is good. Media has no affect on people.

Re: Scammers unleash flood of online gaming sites

#36

Tangentially, I haven't received a Pig Butchering opening text ("hey") in quite a while. A quick scan through my Spam & Blocked doesn't show much either, just a lot of political spam. Did something happen to improve the situation, or am I just lucky?

I get between 5-10 per day, so I’d say you’re just lucky.

Are you recently divorced? Just curious if public filings like divorce decrees would make someone a target for pig butchering scams.

Re: Scammers unleash flood of online gaming sites

#37
post #7

> the gaming site will reject the request and prompt the user to make a “verification deposit” of cryptocurrency — typically around $100 — before any money can be distributed This is called "advance fee" scam. It is hundreds of years old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_scam

Well, anyone who has $100 crypto bucks has already been scammed once.

Re: Scammers unleash flood of online gaming sites

#38

A random website asks me to give them my cryptocurrency, and then they refuse to return it? Why, I thought I had seen the most shocking thing on earth, but this takes the cake!

I don't understand who keeps falling for this stuff. The victims are not all 90 year old grannies suffering from cognitive decline.

I'm pretty sure I fell for a phishing scam a couple decades ago — my eBay password was compromised (fortunately there were no significant consequences). Once upon a time I also got tricked by the phone company into ordering stuff I didn't intend to. And while I don't think I've fallen for anything recently and am pretty security focused, it still takes mental energy to avoid all the traps.

I assume that the "people who fall for this stuff" are "people like me". Even the best among us are only statistically less likely to get snookered, not immune.

Re: Scammers unleash flood of online gaming sites

#39
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well there's the problem, who honestly thinks they won thousands of dollars from an ad?

Sadly, I have a family member who is susceptible to these types of scams. They’ve been duped too many times to count. They’re overly eager to believe they’re exceptional and that good fortune is due them. No amount of explaining has had any impact on their beliefs for the past fifteen years. It’s heart-wrenching.

I can almost understand the replies to this thread where the victim was never exposed to a scam before and didn't know what to look for. It still sounds wild but I guess people are sheltered. My kid was scammed out of some virtual pet in an online game at six years old and learned that whenever someone offers something to you, but requires you to give up something first, it's a scam.

But how does one get scammed over and over, having seen it before and knowing what the playbook looks like?

Re: Scammers unleash flood of online gaming sites

#40

A random website asks me to give them my cryptocurrency, and then they refuse to return it? Why, I thought I had seen the most shocking thing on earth, but this takes the cake!

I don't understand who keeps falling for this stuff. The victims are not all 90 year old grannies suffering from cognitive decline.

Im gravitating towards tge 12 year old problem: while theres tons of other demographics, 12 year olds drive a lot of the grift economy. Its easiest to see in gaming with microtransactions and preorders. You can read hundreds of well articulated reasons not to engage these things yet they continue unabated.
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