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#31

So far I was aversive of Asahi Linux mostly due to the furry anime girl roleplay thing, but this is something I can stand by!

Do I miss something? I've been following the project since the beginning and just checked the wiki, the website and all over the documentation and haven't found something relevant to anime.

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#32

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>First of all, it isn't wrong. The power consumption of AI training and inference is massive. This is massively overstated. We ought to be more careful in performing such calculations.

To quote [1]: > Alex de Vries is a Ph.D. candidate at VU Amsterdam and founder of the digital-sustainability blog Digiconomist. In a report published earlier this month in Joule, de Vries has analyzed trends in AI energy use. He predicted that current AI technology could be on track to annually consume as much electricity as the entire country of Ireland (29.3 terawatt-hours per year). That's a lot of power, and the…

what is it as a percentage of all electricity used in the world? as a percentage of air travel? of using netflix? of eating meat?

Population of Ireland is .06% of world's population btw.

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote [1]: > Alex de Vries is a Ph.D. candidate at VU Amsterdam and founder of the digital-sustainability blog Digiconomist. In a report published earlier this month in Joule, de Vries has analyzed trends in AI energy use. He predicted that current AI technology could be on track to annually consume as much electricity as the entire country of Ireland (29.3 terawatt-hours per year). That's a lot of power, and the…

what is it as a percentage of all electricity used in the world? as a percentage of air travel? of using netflix? of eating meat? Population of Ireland is .06% of world's population btw.

Objectively, using as much power as a country with a population of a few millions is a lot of energy

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

#35

So far I was aversive of Asahi Linux mostly due to the furry anime girl roleplay thing, but this is something I can stand by!

Do I miss something? I've been following the project since the beginning and just checked the wiki, the website and all over the documentation and haven't found something relevant to anime.

The parent comment meant Asahi Lina, a virtual YT persona: https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Asahi_Lina

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#36

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First of all, it isn't wrong. The power consumption of AI training and inference is massive. Second, that page is obviously meant to shed light at AI issues from a lot of different viewpoints, it would have been a serious omission to not mention environmental concerns.

>First of all, it isn't wrong. The power consumption of AI training and inference is massive. This is massively overstated. We ought to be more careful in performing such calculations.

No it is not, honestly. The argument that inference is cheaper than training does not hold up when you keep in mind that as the current model is being used for inference, another one at least as big is being trained simultaneously. Current models can't adapt to new information. So training is an ongoing thing and inference comes in addition to the training costs, not instead of.

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#37

I am by no means an AI/ML evangelist, but these types of posts just come off as something written by modern day luddites.

Luddites in what sense? Because there's the lazy, gross stereotype that's been perpetuated with negative connotation and the movement that was not at face anti-technology, but against how that technology was used to suppress labor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

The historical luddites were not heroes of the working class. They were a special interest that used violence to keep less skilled people out of their industry, so they could keep making more money than the hoi pollo.

Dumb or evil, either way they are not people to be celebrated.

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#38

I am by no means an AI/ML evangelist, but these types of posts just come off as something written by modern day luddites.

Luddites in what sense? Because there's the lazy, gross stereotype that's been perpetuated with negative connotation and the movement that was not at face anti-technology, but against how that technology was used to suppress labor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Pretty much all technology suppresses human labor to a degree, that’s the whole point

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#39
In the future there will be safe havens where LLM generated code has not been merged. It will marketed as “hand-crafted” by Romanian programmers or something like that, akin to Swiss watches. It will be extremely high quality, but too expensive to mass produce.

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#40

This is very hard to take seriously, it feels ideologically driven. The introduction where they claim LLMs are useless for software engineering is just incorrect. They are useful for many software engineering tasks. I do think that vibe coding is rubbish however, and more junior SWEs very regularly misuse LLMs to produce nonsense code. The only substantive point is that the LLM may regurgitate pieces of proprietary t…

Why is something ideologically driven inherently not worth taking seriously? I appreciate maybe their understanding will be more challenging to change but people don’t necessarily arrive at ideologies for unserious reasons nor do ideologies have unserious results.
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