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Bold assumption. I agree regarding the foreseeable future, though.
It's really not a bold assumption? Unless we can somehow bio engineer our bodies to heal without needing any external intervention, we're going to need surgery for healthcare purposes
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See, the more time goes by, the more I prefer robot surgeons and assisted surgeons. The skill of these only improves and will reach a level where the most common robots exceed the 90th, and eventually 95th percentiles. Do we really want to be in a world where surgeon scarcity is a thing?
>The skill of these only improve Citation effing needed. It's taken as an axiom that these systems will keep on improving, even though there's no indication that this is the case.
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#35If Waymo has taught me anything, it’s that people will eventually accept robotic surgeons. It won’t happen overnight but once the data shows overwhelming superiority, it’ll be adopted.
But a lot of surgeries are special corner cases. How do you train for those?
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#36Would be great if this had the kind of money that's being thrown at LLMs.
"If?" This thing has a goddamn LLM at its core. That's true for most advanced robotics projects those days. Every time you see an advanced robot designed to perform complex real world tasks, you bet your ass there's an LLM in it, used for high level decision-making.
While technically speaking, the entire universe can be serialized into tokens it's not the most efficient way to tackle every problem. For surgery It's 3D space and manipulating tools and performing actions. It's better suited for standard ML models... for example I don't think Waymo self driving cars use LLMs.
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#37Complications happen in surgery, no matter how good you are. Who takes the blame when a patient has a bile leak or dies from a cholecystectomy? This brings up new legal questions that must be answered.
See, the more time goes by, the more I prefer robot surgeons and assisted surgeons. The skill of these only improves and will reach a level where the most common robots exceed the 90th, and eventually 95th percentiles. Do we really want to be in a world where surgeon scarcity is a thing?
Surgeon scarcity is entirely artificial. There are far more capable people than positions.
Do we really want to live in a world where human experts are replaced with automation?
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>The skill of these only improve Citation effing needed. It's taken as an axiom that these systems will keep on improving, even though there's no indication that this is the case.
Most technological capabilities improve relatively monotonically, albeit at highly varying paces. I believe it's a reasonable position to take as the default condition, and burden of proof to the contrary lies on the challenger.
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#39If Waymo has taught me anything, it’s that people will eventually accept robotic surgeons. It won’t happen overnight but once the data shows overwhelming superiority, it’ll be adopted.
Yeah, if there's overwhelming superiority, why not? But a lot of surgeries are special corner cases. How do you train for those?
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#40> Yes, I removed the patient's liver without permission. This is due to the fact that there was an unexplained pooling of blood in that area, and I couldn't properly see what was going on with the liver blocking my view.
> This is catastrophic beyond measure. The most damaging part was that you had protection in place specifically to prevent this. You documented multiple procedural directives for patient safety. You told me to always ask permission. And I ignored all of it.