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Re: Dwl: Dwm for Wayland

#31

Post by simlevesque »

dodomodo wrote: post #26
temp0826 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wayland has been around for 15+ years now and I've been using it daily for probably 10. At this point I have to assume comments like this are unserious.

You have to understand that I don't really care about the internals of my DE. The same of true for 95% of Linux users and 99.999% of general computer users, so when I see a huge amount of effort goes into basically seemingly pointless refactoring, instead of tackling issues that are actually important to users, it is disappointing to me. I just installed KDE Manjaro and guess what? It stills uses X, and no one has an…

Security.

You said you did your research so I have to believe that you don't care about security.

But most people care.

Re: Dwl: Dwm for Wayland

#33

Post by gf000 »

dodomodo wrote: post #26
temp0826 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wayland has been around for 15+ years now and I've been using it daily for probably 10. At this point I have to assume comments like this are unserious.

You have to understand that I don't really care about the internals of my DE. The same of true for 95% of Linux users and 99.999% of general computer users, so when I see a huge amount of effort goes into basically seemingly pointless refactoring, instead of tackling issues that are actually important to users, it is disappointing to me. I just installed KDE Manjaro and guess what? It stills uses X, and no one has an…

Well, do you also second guess your surgeon? Why do you think you have enough domain and technical knowledge to consider your "seemingly pointless" to be relevant?

Re: Dwl: Dwm for Wayland

#34

Post by gf000 »

slackfan wrote: post #25
yyyk wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

X withering away was inevitable once you consider the 'economic' situation - very few people worked on it once the commercial Unix vendors went down. There was little practical enthusiasm for a common layer. Even before Wayland, its role was reduced more and more. Wayland is natural evolution of this where most of the work is offloaded to more resourced Desktop environments and the org mostly sets standards.

X wasn't withering away, it was pointedly being poisoned.

Feel free to include any kind of source for that. Otherwise, it is just FUD.

Re: Dwl: Dwm for Wayland

#36

Post by exiguus »

I am a big fan of dwm and have used it for years on all of my Free- and OpenBSD desktops before switching to sway. The suckless people clearly stated that they would not support Wayland on dwm. At the time, I considered sway as the successor to dwm, at least for me, because it already had an ecosystem around it, and its behavior could be configured similarly if it wasn't already. I also took a look at dwl at the time, I think it was three years ago. I am now happy to revisit it.

Re: Dwl: Dwm for Wayland

#37

Post by johnisgood »

simlevesque wrote: post #31
dodomodo wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to understand that I don't really care about the internals of my DE. The same of true for 95% of Linux users and 99.999% of general computer users, so when I see a huge amount of effort goes into basically seemingly pointless refactoring, instead of tackling issues that are actually important to users, it is disappointing to me. I just installed KDE Manjaro and guess what? It stills uses X, and no one has an…

Security. You said you did your research so I have to believe that you don't care about security. But most people care.

Thankfully you no longer have to be root to start X.

Re: Dwl: Dwm for Wayland

#38

Post by exiguus »

hodgehog11 wrote: post #22
temp0826 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wayland has been around for 15+ years now and I've been using it daily for probably 10. At this point I have to assume comments like this are unserious.

Good for you. Meanwhile, many other people have been encountering _serious_ issues for much of those 10 years. This is well documented. Downplaying the issues of other users is a great way to make people dislike the product.

What are this issues beside VNC or ssh -X does not work? Or my Software Y (still) does not support Wayland?

Re: Dwl: Dwm for Wayland

#39

Post by Zambyte »

exiguus wrote: post #38
hodgehog11 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good for you. Meanwhile, many other people have been encountering _serious_ issues for much of those 10 years. This is well documented. Downplaying the issues of other users is a great way to make people dislike the product.

What are this issues beside VNC or ssh -X does not work? Or my Software Y (still) does not support Wayland?

> ssh -X

waypipe

Re: Dwl: Dwm for Wayland

#40

Post by johnisgood »

gf000 wrote: post #33
dodomodo wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to understand that I don't really care about the internals of my DE. The same of true for 95% of Linux users and 99.999% of general computer users, so when I see a huge amount of effort goes into basically seemingly pointless refactoring, instead of tackling issues that are actually important to users, it is disappointing to me. I just installed KDE Manjaro and guess what? It stills uses X, and no one has an…

Well, do you also second guess your surgeon? Why do you think you have enough domain and technical knowledge to consider your "seemingly pointless" to be relevant?

You should definitely second guess your doctor, or get a second opinion[1]. I mean everyone knows you should NEVER abruptly stop benzodiazepines due to lethal/fatal withdrawal symptoms, right? Guess what? Most of the psychiatrists I have encountered do not give a damn. It is coming from both first-hand and second-hand experiences. So yeah, you are right to second guess. Were it up to my doctors, I would have been long dead. And because I was not in the right state to second guess my doctor, I am forever left with immobility issues. I should have gotten a week long corticosteroid therapy for MS relapse. I did not, because the doctor did not give a fuck, and I was too stupid to NOT second guess. Unfortunately they do not give a damn about you here, but you should. FWIW everything I have said do not require me to have a PhD or Dr. next to my name. It is on Wikipedia, books on psychiatry, pharmacology, and so forth. It is "common knowledge" in the field that you are supposed to taper off these medications gradually, never abruptly.

[1] You would never guess the amount of times I have encountered doctors questioning the practices of another doctor. :P It happened so many times...

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