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We built an air-gapped Jira alternative for regulated industries

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Re: We built an air-gapped Jira alternative for regulated industries

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Post by viharkurama »

Disposal8433 wrote: post #21

There is no price anywhere. I would be interested to use that for either my job or for private projects, but where and how much do I pay? Edit: I looked again and even your pricing pages have no price. I understand that you may want to restrict yourself to rich companies, but I don't understand the point of posting on HN if that's the case.

If you want air-gapped it's on Business tier, please look at our pricing page.

That being said, we don't recommend the air-gapped version for personal use. Instead, you can use our open-source Community Edition here: https://github.com/makeplane/plane — you can self-host it and disable telemetry entirely.

Re: We built an air-gapped Jira alternative for regulated industries

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Post by uxp100 »

magicalhippo wrote: post #7
viharkurama wrote: post #2

After a U.S. federal contractor told us they loved Plane but couldn't use it due to ITAR requirements, we spent 6 months building a truly air-gapped version. No external connections, no license pings, no telemetry, everything runs in complete isolation. The interesting part: our air-gapped deployment actually runs faster than our SaaS version. Turns out when you eliminate all network latency, things get snappy. This…

> Turns out when you eliminate all network latency, things get snappy. Same experience with JIRA. I read all these negative comments here and elsewhere about how slow and clunky JIRA was, and I couldn't relate at all. Then I realized all those who complained was using JIRA Cloud and we were using on-prem, and it all made sense. We've since moved to JIRA Cloud ourselves, and I understand now. We moved and none of the…

I have had the opposite experience with Jira at a relatively large corporation (years ago). Our local Jira was probably just configured weird or on underpowered hardware though.

Re: We built an air-gapped Jira alternative for regulated industries

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Post by magicalhippo »

bpt3 wrote: post #28
magicalhippo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've removed it from their pricing page now, but when they announced the discontinuation of the regular on-prem server the minimum for datacenter was like 500 licensed users or something along those lines. In any case it was clear it's not for small shops like us. That said, air-gapped is a hefty requirement, so perhaps those customers are predominantly large?

It's still on this page: https://www.atlassian.com/enterprise/data-center/jira $51k for the smallest license they offer. I still run an old version on an air gapped network and will continue to do so until we're forced to change for some reason. It's not a hefty requirement; we run it for a team of < 10 developers on a small VM and it just works.

Blind as a bat, thanks. Was looking for a pricing page or similar, totally scrolled by that box which looked like marketing fluff.

Re: We built an air-gapped Jira alternative for regulated industries

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Post by joeldo »

IshKebab wrote: post #13
magicalhippo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Turns out when you eliminate all network latency, things get snappy. Same experience with JIRA. I read all these negative comments here and elsewhere about how slow and clunky JIRA was, and I couldn't relate at all. Then I realized all those who complained was using JIRA Cloud and we were using on-prem, and it all made sense. We've since moved to JIRA Cloud ourselves, and I understand now. We moved and none of the…

> Then I realized all those who complained was using JIRA Cloud and we were using on-prem, and it all made sense. Even Atlassian doesn't use Jira cloud. Btw it's not "JIRA".

That's no longer the case - a large portion of teams are now using cloud variants of Confluence/Jira.

Re: We built an air-gapped Jira alternative for regulated industries

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Post by zelphirkalt »

magicalhippo wrote: post #7
viharkurama wrote: post #2

After a U.S. federal contractor told us they loved Plane but couldn't use it due to ITAR requirements, we spent 6 months building a truly air-gapped version. No external connections, no license pings, no telemetry, everything runs in complete isolation. The interesting part: our air-gapped deployment actually runs faster than our SaaS version. Turns out when you eliminate all network latency, things get snappy. This…

> Turns out when you eliminate all network latency, things get snappy. Same experience with JIRA. I read all these negative comments here and elsewhere about how slow and clunky JIRA was, and I couldn't relate at all. Then I realized all those who complained was using JIRA Cloud and we were using on-prem, and it all made sense. We've since moved to JIRA Cloud ourselves, and I understand now. We moved and none of the…

Also that Jira is one of these mutants, between SPA and pages, doing neither well.

Re: We built an air-gapped Jira alternative for regulated industries

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Post by tikkabhuna »

uxp100 wrote: post #32
magicalhippo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Turns out when you eliminate all network latency, things get snappy. Same experience with JIRA. I read all these negative comments here and elsewhere about how slow and clunky JIRA was, and I couldn't relate at all. Then I realized all those who complained was using JIRA Cloud and we were using on-prem, and it all made sense. We've since moved to JIRA Cloud ourselves, and I understand now. We moved and none of the…

I have had the opposite experience with Jira at a relatively large corporation (years ago). Our local Jira was probably just configured weird or on underpowered hardware though.

Having adopted a number of development tools, including Jira and Confluence, it’s amazing people let them sit there chugging away on underpowered machines with hundreds of users quietly complaining about the speed. Throwing some extra CPU cores and memory is so cheap for the quality of life improvement, let alone the productivity gain.

Re: We built an air-gapped Jira alternative for regulated industries

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Post by mschuster91 »

kingnothing wrote: post #12
jasondc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from Google: "Atlassian has sunsetted its Server product line, including Jira Server, meaning they are no longer supported and users need to migrate to Cloud or Data Center versions. Specifically, support for Atlassian Server products ended on February 15, 2024. This includes the end of new license sales, renewals, and security updates for Jira Server. "

There's the self-hosted Atlassian Data Center product. https://www.atlassian.com/enterprise/data-center They also offer Government Cloud. https://www.atlassian.com/government

You'll pay through your nose for a Data Center license though, and it doesn't change the fact that Jira is a mess so slow that SAP can appear fast in comparison.
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