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AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Sorry, what jargon is that? I may be able to fix it with your help. I'm not in the USA and don't follow US politics or culture enough to be up to 2025 in jargon.

"Woke cretin."

That can't be it. Cretin traces back to the 18th century. Etymonline places woke into the 2010s.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#32

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Your argument would've been much better without injecting ca. 2025 US culture war jargon into it.

Sorry, what jargon is that? I may be able to fix it with your help. I'm not in the USA and don't follow US politics or culture enough to be up to 2025 in jargon.

I will say it's funny seeing a post which starts off calling someone a 'woke cretin' ending with a lightly veiled take-that at Musk.

I think it may be better to say that the author has an agenda or is co-opting real issues, but I can't think of an elegant way to phrase that.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#33

This is just like the way some people decided that "Blue Check" should be an insult on Twitter. Occasionally people still say it but almost everyone ignores it. Fads like this are common on the Internet. It's just like any other clique of people: a few people accidentally taste-make as a bunch of replicators simply repeat mindless things over and over again "slop" "mask-off moment" "enshittification" "ghoulish". Just…

blue checks are orthogonal - they're more rough approximations of "I bought a cybertruck when musk went full crazy" (and yes, it's a bad look). - judging some blog post for seeming like AI is different.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#34
post #32

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Sorry, what jargon is that? I may be able to fix it with your help. I'm not in the USA and don't follow US politics or culture enough to be up to 2025 in jargon.

I will say it's funny seeing a post which starts off calling someone a 'woke cretin' ending with a lightly veiled take-that at Musk. I think it may be better to say that the author has an agenda or is co-opting real issues, but I can't think of an elegant way to phrase that.

Or maybe we should give the author the benefit of the doubt and assume he's unhappy with both radical ends of the spectrum, which would be a refreshing take in 2025 to be honest.

I don't really agree with the general argument, though. I don't think painting this as an "AI Slop" issue is fair. Online communities are quicker (and quieter!) when dismissing obvious AI Slop than when dismissing legitimate discourse that looks like AI, or was cleaned-up with AI, or even it just uses Em––Dashes. Perhaps the excusable usage is marking content as machine-translated, which of course causes other disadvantages for the poster. But of course that's just one point of view and communities I don’t go to might be 100% different!

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#35

Sarkar argues that “AI shaming arises from a class anxiety induced in middle class knowledge workers, and is a form of boundary work to maintain class solidarity and limit mobility into knowledge work.” I think there is at least some truth to this. Another possible cause of AI shaming is that reading AI writing feels like a waste of time. If the author didn’t bother to write it, why should I bother to read it and pro…

> why should I bother to read it and provide feedback?

I like to discuss a topic with a LLM and generate an article at the end. It is more structured and better worded but still reflects my own ideas. I only post these articles in a private blog I don't pass them as my own writing. But I find this exercise useful to me because I use LLMs as a brainstorming and idea-debugging space.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will say it's funny seeing a post which starts off calling someone a 'woke cretin' ending with a lightly veiled take-that at Musk. I think it may be better to say that the author has an agenda or is co-opting real issues, but I can't think of an elegant way to phrase that.

Or maybe we should give the author the benefit of the doubt and assume he's unhappy with both radical ends of the spectrum, which would be a refreshing take in 2025 to be honest. I don't really agree with the general argument, though. I don't think painting this as an "AI Slop" issue is fair. Online communities are quicker (and quieter!) when dismissing obvious AI Slop than when dismissing legitimate discourse that l…

> he's unhappy with both radical ends of the spectrum

Seems to be very hard to realize that in the US. But from the outside, both ends are batshit insane.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#37

This reads like yet another attempt to pathologize perfectly reasonable criticism as some form of oppression. Calling “AI could have written this” a classist slur is a stretch so extreme it borders on parody. People say that when writing lacks originality or depth — not to reinforce some imagined academic caste system. The idea that pointing out bland prose is equivalent to sumptuary laws or racial gatekeeping is int…

> Calling “AI could have written this” a classist slur is a stretch so extreme it borders on parody.

In AI discussions the relevance of Poe's law is rampant. You can never tell what is parody or what is not.

There was a (former) xAI employee that got fired for advocating the extinction of humanity.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#39

I'd like to brag that I got in trouble for saying this to somebody in 2021, before ChatGPT

I put a chapter of a paper I wrote in 2016 into GPTZero and got the probability breakdown 90% AI, 10% human. I am 100% human, and I wrote it myself, so I guess I'm lucky that I didn't hand it in this year, or I could have gotten accused of cheating?

That's more an indictment of the accuracy of such tools. Writing in a very 'standard' style like found in papers is going to match well with the LLM predictions, regardless of origin.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#40
Overall, this comes across as extremely patronising: to authors by running defence for obviously sub-par work, because their background makes it "impossible" for them to do good work. And to the commenters by assuming mal-intent towards the less privileged that needs to be controlled.

And it's all wrapped in a lovely package of AI apologetics - wonderful.

So, honestly, no. The identity of the author doesn't matter, if it reads like AI slop the author should be grateful I even left an "AI could have written this" comment.

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