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The special hell of Bolt, Europe's Uber clone

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Re: The special hell of Bolt, Europe's Uber clone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to claim that tourism in Europe won't be "durable" at a moment when tourism in the US is sharply declining.. Anyway, Booking.com is a European company and has many more customers than AirBnB.

Apples and Oranges. Booking.com is an aggregator. Also, Booking.com is unbelievably exploitative and rife with dark patterns.

But great for its _users_, so just like the US companies then.

Re: The special hell of Bolt, Europe's Uber clone

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> I arrived in Lyon recently and figured, hey, this is Europe, why not try the European app again, and used Bolt. A bit off topic but IMHO your first thought should instead be: "hey, this is Europe, why not try the train?" In Lyon, the train from the airport to the city takes half an hour, same as a car. My guess is that you'll have a vastly better experience than taking the train in North America, and also a better…

> "hey, this is Europe, why not try the train?" I have two people and four items of luggage plus a personal bag each. City trains are poor for this and subways are worse, but I am here for two weeks - I do need clean clothes.

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Re: The special hell of Bolt, Europe's Uber clone

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> I arrived in Lyon recently and figured, hey, this is Europe, why not try the European app again, and used Bolt. A bit off topic but IMHO your first thought should instead be: "hey, this is Europe, why not try the train?" In Lyon, the train from the airport to the city takes half an hour, same as a car. My guess is that you'll have a vastly better experience than taking the train in North America, and also a better…

Depending on where you are going, ridesharing provides much better point to point service. Also, if you are not familiar with a city or it's language, sometimes trying to understand the public transit on your first day can be a nightmare.

I love taking public transit, but also, after a really long flight I can understand not wanting to think really hard about getting to the hotel.

Re: The special hell of Bolt, Europe's Uber clone

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In a recent trip to Rome, I tried using FreeNow which I had used many times in the past. My success rate of actually getting a ride was 0 out of 7. By which time I gave up. I was more successful with Uber. I was able to get about 12 rides in.

I think with the Jubilee many drivers just switched to Uber.

I also took rides in official taxis. They all wanted to negotiate the fare, refused to run the meter, and absolutely refused to take credit cards.

Re: The special hell of Bolt, Europe's Uber clone

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Sadly I have encountered this on multiple different kinds of European tech platforms. There is some deep cultural disconnect on understanding how/why American tech companies are successful. Most often they seem to ape most of major US tech platforms functionality but critically somehow miss the "make something people want" and instead make something that: - Sort of works? Has all the major screens but the whole exper…

It's interesting to claim that tourism in Europe won't be "durable" at a moment when tourism in the US is sharply declining.. Anyway, Booking.com is a European company and has many more customers than AirBnB.

I don't understand what you are trying to claim. 1. Booking.com is owned by Booking Holdings which is an American parent company. 2. US GDP growth has been massively outperforming the EU since 2008.

I am saying tourism is not something governments should want to heavily optimize an economy for. No amount of taking money from people on vacation will translate into building a more competitive or innovative economy.

Re: The special hell of Bolt, Europe's Uber clone

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post #3

> I arrived in Lyon recently and figured, hey, this is Europe, why not try the European app again, and used Bolt. A bit off topic but IMHO your first thought should instead be: "hey, this is Europe, why not try the train?" In Lyon, the train from the airport to the city takes half an hour, same as a car. My guess is that you'll have a vastly better experience than taking the train in North America, and also a better…

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Re: The special hell of Bolt, Europe's Uber clone

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Sums up European tech in general. Moving to Germany from the US made me realize how broken basic things are in Europe overall. But I was told Germany has it the worst, and it’s a bit better in other places.

I’ve encountered similar issues before and ended up switching to Uber permanently. Luckily, Uber is available where I live. The same goes for banking apps and brokers here. Half of them have a weird mix of German and English when you try to change the language, and most of the time they just don’t work at all. I guess the cliché that tech has never been Europe’s strong suit has some truth to it.

Re: The special hell of Bolt, Europe's Uber clone

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This is a random rant. I’ve been using Bolt for years almost every day, never had problems.

This.

After lazily splurging on bolt for a few years after they offered service in this central European city, the only problems as a user that I've noticed were price increases over time on fares in general, and peak hours pricing that increased pricing 3-7x. Uber was and has been always more expensive and rarely used for that matter.

While these seem to be standard issues in the tech world, this is nothing compared to the horror stories one can find on /r/doordash.

https://reddit.com/r/doordash

Re: The special hell of Bolt, Europe's Uber clone

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to claim that tourism in Europe won't be "durable" at a moment when tourism in the US is sharply declining.. Anyway, Booking.com is a European company and has many more customers than AirBnB.

Apples and Oranges. Booking.com is an aggregator. Also, Booking.com is unbelievably exploitative and rife with dark patterns.

> Also, Booking.com is unbelievably exploitative and rife with dark patterns.

So it seems that Europeans have no issue doing the same thing as American tech companies?

Re: The special hell of Bolt, Europe's Uber clone

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I think it's a drivers market. When the ridesharing apps cannot afford to fire drivers in fear of losing market share, that allows the drivers to pull of scummy behaviour for maxing profit. I heard uber drivers go out of their way for 5 star reviews in America. Sounds like the balance of power is on the plaforms side over there and in some specific markets in Europe.
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