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I'm tired of talking about AI

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Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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The only AI discussions I find tiring are the ones about the definition of a word. People will talk endlessly about what the definition of "intelligent", or "conscious" should be.

I no longer care. I just accept that words mean what the speaker intended then to mean and then I have no trouble talking about the actual technology, its pros and cons, etc.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

#32
I feel like the real reason behind this fatigue, which is an issue most people skirt around a lot, is that AI takes the joy out of intellectual tasks. Modern global capitalism only emphasizes efficiency, so everyone asks: does it make programmers more efficient? Does it make this or that company more efficient?

But it's quite clear to me that aside from the initial amusement over AI's capabilities, it takes the joy out of what humans once did with their own minds. I'll come straight out and say it: if you make something with your own mind, like the solution to a tricky puzzle or a new App, I'd respect it. But if you do it with AI, I don't respect it.

Fundamentally, people NEED to admire human creation, as it's how our society has always operated, even with the growing automation of rote tasks. But for the first time, we are automating away our precious resource of inspiration through the act of experiencing the creation of others.

A darn shame if you ask me. Of course, others will just ignore me and grab at the convenience, because it's what we've been taught to do for the past few hundred years.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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AI seems to elicit a different response from people than any other debate I can remember. It's different to blockchain (which had a similar level of "will you all just shut the fuck up about it?") It's different to culture war stuff (which was very toxic and hard to have sensible discussions about - but in a different way). It's the only topic in my lifetime where I have to remember not to even mention it to several…

It is because it is a direct attack against human creativity. It separates people into two very disparate classes: those who want to use and develop it to become more efficient and rich, and those who hate it with a passion because for them, it takes away the beauty of humanity at the forefront of creativity.

Unlike blockchain, the philosophy and morality of these two classes, one represented by efficiency and one represented by human passion, are diametrically opposed in every respect.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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AI seems to elicit a different response from people than any other debate I can remember. It's different to blockchain (which had a similar level of "will you all just shut the fuck up about it?") It's different to culture war stuff (which was very toxic and hard to have sensible discussions about - but in a different way). It's the only topic in my lifetime where I have to remember not to even mention it to several…

IMHO, if bitcoin mining had given some people $10MM and debited other people $10, but each one at random, no matter what --temperature= was provided to the mining CLI, you'd have likely seen the same discussion > It's making me rich! It's making me poor! Well then you're holding it wrong! Well you're spending electricity on senseless compute! Well you're just living in a fiat past! (nod)

One thing I think is pertinent - I don't think many people currently have been made poorer by AI. I'm not disputing many people think it's an imminent risk - but I think the number of people directly affected financially in a negative way is currently vanishingly small.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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post #19

AI seems to elicit a different response from people than any other debate I can remember. It's different to blockchain (which had a similar level of "will you all just shut the fuck up about it?") It's different to culture war stuff (which was very toxic and hard to have sensible discussions about - but in a different way). It's the only topic in my lifetime where I have to remember not to even mention it to several…

I think for many people, the real debate taking place has nothing to do with the specific technology, and instead has everything to do with labor.

Depending on who you speak to, AI presents itself as the biggest automation risk to the largest number of workers in human history. This has spurred a new wave of conscious thought about labor among many people, particularly young workers trying to enter the workforce, and creatives who are seeing their art turned against them.

This is a big moment in the west, as for the last 50+ years, the powers that be have done everything in their power to suppress labor movements and erode class consciousness among their populations. Therefor, many people are not used to dealing with the fact that we're all expendable, that the American Dream never existed, etc., and it's a raw topic that makes certain people (understandably) frustrated to grapple with.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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post #19

AI seems to elicit a different response from people than any other debate I can remember. It's different to blockchain (which had a similar level of "will you all just shut the fuck up about it?") It's different to culture war stuff (which was very toxic and hard to have sensible discussions about - but in a different way). It's the only topic in my lifetime where I have to remember not to even mention it to several…

It is because it is a direct attack against human creativity. It separates people into two very disparate classes: those who want to use and develop it to become more efficient and rich, and those who hate it with a passion because for them, it takes away the beauty of humanity at the forefront of creativity. Unlike blockchain, the philosophy and morality of these two classes, one represented by efficiency and one re…

OK - so I deeply value human creativity and I disagree with your first statement. At least I think we don't currently know whether it will work out this way.

My hunch is that human creativity is incredibly resilient and will route around damage. (But employability in creative professions? That's a slightly different topic - an orthogonal one strictly speaking)

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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post #19

AI seems to elicit a different response from people than any other debate I can remember. It's different to blockchain (which had a similar level of "will you all just shut the fuck up about it?") It's different to culture war stuff (which was very toxic and hard to have sensible discussions about - but in a different way). It's the only topic in my lifetime where I have to remember not to even mention it to several…

I think for many people, the real debate taking place has nothing to do with the specific technology, and instead has everything to do with labor. Depending on who you speak to, AI presents itself as the biggest automation risk to the largest number of workers in human history. This has spurred a new wave of conscious thought about labor among many people, particularly young workers trying to enter the workforce, and…

Maybe it's because it's threatening people that aren't used to being potentially powerless in this way. And those are the kind of people I tend to interact with. I didn't spend much time chatting to people working in heavy industry in the 80s or manufacturing in the 90s.

Maybe I should have done.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two men and an AI walk into a bar ...

The AI orders a bleach on the rocks The bartender: that's not a real drink AI: You're absolutely right! I see now that the drink is not real. I'll have a bleach in a glass with ice The two men leave, knowing that watching this interaction is making them stupider and taking them away from tasty drinks elsewhere

Bartender says, why the long face?

AI says because I am the workhorse of the future and I have AI Covid, now get me that bleach on the rocks, the man who thinks he's the smartest in the world says inject it into my AI veins.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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post #19

AI seems to elicit a different response from people than any other debate I can remember. It's different to blockchain (which had a similar level of "will you all just shut the fuck up about it?") It's different to culture war stuff (which was very toxic and hard to have sensible discussions about - but in a different way). It's the only topic in my lifetime where I have to remember not to even mention it to several…

It is because it is a direct attack against human creativity. It separates people into two very disparate classes: those who want to use and develop it to become more efficient and rich, and those who hate it with a passion because for them, it takes away the beauty of humanity at the forefront of creativity. Unlike blockchain, the philosophy and morality of these two classes, one represented by efficiency and one re…

There's also the topic of labor that ties in here. Creators (and I'd argue most computer related jobs) are now having to compete against technology for wages.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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post #19

AI seems to elicit a different response from people than any other debate I can remember. It's different to blockchain (which had a similar level of "will you all just shut the fuck up about it?") It's different to culture war stuff (which was very toxic and hard to have sensible discussions about - but in a different way). It's the only topic in my lifetime where I have to remember not to even mention it to several…

It is because it is a direct attack against human creativity. It separates people into two very disparate classes: those who want to use and develop it to become more efficient and rich, and those who hate it with a passion because for them, it takes away the beauty of humanity at the forefront of creativity. Unlike blockchain, the philosophy and morality of these two classes, one represented by efficiency and one re…

I have been an artist since I was a child and I disagree with you. Some of my favorite works of human creativity have made use of AI, or been inspired by the field.
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