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Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This statement might be ok in a generic sense, but it is unfair in a discussion of Matrix and Element. They have gone out of their way to encourage other source. I get that you didn't say this explicitly about this particular project. I just think these folks deserve some credit.

Got a link? What forks of element or synapse have they publicly endorsed?

https://matrix.org/ecosystem/

Lists of competing clients, servers, hosts, and more.

Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org

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post #13

The issue of broken rooms was reportedly the database having gotten corrupted indexes, which affected a bunch of rooms (2/55 of ones I was in): https://github.com/element-hq/synapse/issues/18606#issuecomm... . Not much a protocol/implementation can do about that. It did take over 2 weeks for it to be resolved though, which is a rather long period of time. Also on the status page - https://status.matrix.org/incidents/…

Wait, did anyone investigate on why messages were not stored by other homeservers? That's rather odd, given the selling point of matrix is federation

Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org

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post #7

I'm of the same stance. I've been using Matrix for 3 years now, primarily to communicate with family located where there is high censorship and most messengers are blocked. Probably due to the complexity of the system and inherent design, performance is horrible. Good enough for usage but just unpleasant. Their new Element X client is meant to solve a lot of problems but they're starting to deviate from common standa…

Aside from your valid concerns about Element roadmaps, you highlight a completely different really crummy problem. You have chosen (or have had chosen for you) the support of a closed platform that puts you in a pickle. The dev team for an app of interest to you doesn't seem to have the bandwidth to address all your concerns as quickly as would be super. But they have taken the hit to get their code into the walled g…

I think this misses that GP is using this to communicate with other people who use these platforms. It’s been chosen for them by their friends and family.

Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org

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Yeah, Matrix UX is disgusting in every aspect. Every client looks bad, works slow and most of them have only subset of features. At 2025 year I still can't see online status when I use most popular server and client. When I use SDK as a developer, *I can't use encryption* for bots. I've created issue about it over year ago https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-bot-sdk/issues/363 and maintainer just closed it as not pla…

The last statement is totally uncalled for. Yes, matrix is not convenient and given it's far from ideal chat experience but that doesn't mean you are allowed to spread FUD. Matrix spec, clients, homeservers, etc are fully open source. No one is "scamming" anyone

Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org

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I said most of the same things in the Matrix foundation's server. The general response from the team was: "Pay money or shut up and accept what we give you". The number of gigantic changes in direction this project has had in the past couple of years is enough to sink any project. Jitsi to Webrtc, complete change in auth system, Element to Element X. There's two clients. One that's fast, and one that's full featured.…

Architecture Astronauts, and Cowboy Coding are all problematic.

This is more of a question of enough clarity, direction and alignment.

Either both groups have it, or they don't.

Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org

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Yeah, Matrix UX is disgusting in every aspect. Every client looks bad, works slow and most of them have only subset of features. At 2025 year I still can't see online status when I use most popular server and client. When I use SDK as a developer, *I can't use encryption* for bots. I've created issue about it over year ago https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-bot-sdk/issues/363 and maintainer just closed it as not pla…

The last statement is totally uncalled for. Yes, matrix is not convenient and given it's far from ideal chat experience but that doesn't mean you are allowed to spread FUD. Matrix spec, clients, homeservers, etc are fully open source. No one is "scamming" anyone

No horses in this race for or against the Matrix group, but convenience, adoptability is a fair factor to look at in software, especially collaboration and interaction based software.

Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org

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post #15

I find Signal just unbeatable on all fronts: security, UX, ease of use, general thoughtfulness put into the product. It has the best simple media editor (for video clipping, blurring faces, compressing) I have ever seen casually built into the sending flow. Every time I use anything, from MS Teams to Whatsapp, I find myself wishing they were more like Signal.

Signal is the worst of them all when it comes to self hosting.

Worst in terms of user freedom as well. Because according to moxie, everyone is incompetent to host their own. He was wrong

Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last statement is totally uncalled for. Yes, matrix is not convenient and given it's far from ideal chat experience but that doesn't mean you are allowed to spread FUD. Matrix spec, clients, homeservers, etc are fully open source. No one is "scamming" anyone

No horses in this race for or against the Matrix group, but convenience, adoptability is a fair factor to look at in software, especially collaboration and interaction based software.

It's gaining traction. Matrix will prevail, sooner or later. Don't give up on it just yet
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