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Exhausted man defeats AI model in world coding championship

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Re: Exhausted man defeats AI model in world coding championship

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Remember this is the worst AI will ever be from here on out. Models are only going to get better, faster, cheaper, more accessible and more easily deployable.

I think people need to realize that just because an AI model fails at one point, or some certain architecture has common failure modes, that billions of dollars are poured into correcting those failures and improving in every economically viable domain. Two years ago AI video looked like a garbled 140p nightmare, now it's higher quality video than all but professional production studios could make.

AI agents don't get tired. They don't need to sleep. They don't require sick days, parental leave, or PTO. They don't file lawsuits, they don't share company secrets, they don't disparage, deliberately sandbag to get extra free time, whine, burn out or go AWOL. The best AI model/employee is infinitely replicatable, and can share its knowledge with other agents perfectly and clone itself arbitrarily many times, and it doesn't have a clash of egos working with copies of itself, it just optimizes and is refit to accomplish whatever task its given.

All this means is that gradually the relative advantage of humans in any economically viable domain will predictably trend towards zero. We have to figure out now what that will mean for general human welfare, freedom and happiness, because barring extremely restrictive measures on AI development or voluntary cessation by all AI companies, AGI will arrive.

Re: Exhausted man defeats AI model in world coding championship

#32

Remember this is the worst AI will ever be from here on out. Models are only going to get better, faster, cheaper, more accessible and more easily deployable. I think people need to realize that just because an AI model fails at one point, or some certain architecture has common failure modes, that billions of dollars are poured into correcting those failures and improving in every economically viable domain. Two yea…

Exactly. The inability of people to extrapolate towards the future and foresee second-order effects is astounding. We've seen this in climate change and we've just seen this in COVID. The ones with foresight are warning about the massive upheaval coming. It's time for people to shake away their preconceived notions, look at the situation with fresh eyes, and deeply think about what the technology diff from 5 years ago to today, means for 5 years from now.

Re: Exhausted man defeats AI model in world coding championship

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I'm guessing he didn't have access to any LLMs while competing, but I think a "centaur" approach probably would have outperformed both "only human" and "only LLM" competitors.

Reading through the challenge, there's a lot of data modelling and test harness writing and ideating that an LLM could knock out fairly quickly, but would take even a competitive coder some time to write (even if just limited by typing speed).

That'd give the human more time to experiment with different approaches and test incremental improvements.

Re: Exhausted man defeats AI model in world coding championship

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://atcoder.jp/contests/awtf2025heuristic/tasks/awtf2025...

I'm at a complete loss to discern why this would be a useful task to solve. It seems like the equivalent of elementary schoolers saying "OK, if you're so smart, what's 9,203,278,023 times 3,333,300,209?"

It’s a coding contest not a fiverr programming task. If it seems like a challenge for challenge sake, it’s probably because it’s a challenge for challenge sake.

As someone with a degree in computer science it reminds me of almost every course I took. As someone who has worked at multiple FAANG and adjacent companies with high expectations, I’ve encountered things like this in most interviews and have devised similar problems to be given as interviews. The point isn’t to make something objectively useful in the question itself but to provide a toy example of a specific class of problem that absolutely shows up in practical situations, although by in large most IT programmers would never see such a problem in their careers. This does not however mean such problems don’t exist in the world and are not solved by computer scientists professionally at work in practical uses. Beyond that they also are tests of how well people have learned computer science, discrete math, and complex programming as a proxy for general technical intelligence (albeit not testing any specific technology or toolkit, as is emphasized in IT work). This seems surprising to me when people belly ache about computer science being asked in any context - at school, work, or in a programming contest as if the only worthwhile things to do are systems programming questions.

Re: Exhausted man defeats AI model in world coding championship

#36

Remember this is the worst AI will ever be from here on out. Models are only going to get better, faster, cheaper, more accessible and more easily deployable. I think people need to realize that just because an AI model fails at one point, or some certain architecture has common failure modes, that billions of dollars are poured into correcting those failures and improving in every economically viable domain. Two yea…

Oh no, no, this isn't the worst AI will ever be. Way worse LLMs are yet to come once the cost cutting efforts begin.

Re: Exhausted man defeats AI model in world coding championship

#37

Remember this is the worst AI will ever be from here on out. Models are only going to get better, faster, cheaper, more accessible and more easily deployable. I think people need to realize that just because an AI model fails at one point, or some certain architecture has common failure modes, that billions of dollars are poured into correcting those failures and improving in every economically viable domain. Two yea…

Yet, AI agents don't replace software engineers.

Imagine a software company without a single software engineer. What kind of software would it produce? How would a product manager or some other stakeholder work with "AI agents"? How do the humans decide that the agent is finished with the job?

Software engineering changes with the tools. Programming via text editors will be less important, that much is clear. But "AI" is a tool. A compressed database of all languages, essentially. You can use that tool to become more efficient, in some cases wastly more efficient, but you still need to be a software engineer.

Given that understanding, consider another question: When has a company you worked for ever said "that's enough software, the backlog is empty. We're done for the quarter with software development?"

Re: Exhausted man defeats AI model in world coding championship

#38

Remember this is the worst AI will ever be from here on out. Models are only going to get better, faster, cheaper, more accessible and more easily deployable. I think people need to realize that just because an AI model fails at one point, or some certain architecture has common failure modes, that billions of dollars are poured into correcting those failures and improving in every economically viable domain. Two yea…

Oh no, no, this isn't the worst AI will ever be. Way worse LLMs are yet to come once the cost cutting efforts begin.

I mean it in that this is the worst the "best currently existing AI model" will ever be

Re: Exhausted man defeats AI model in world coding championship

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post #37

Remember this is the worst AI will ever be from here on out. Models are only going to get better, faster, cheaper, more accessible and more easily deployable. I think people need to realize that just because an AI model fails at one point, or some certain architecture has common failure modes, that billions of dollars are poured into correcting those failures and improving in every economically viable domain. Two yea…

Yet, AI agents don't replace software engineers. Imagine a software company without a single software engineer. What kind of software would it produce? How would a product manager or some other stakeholder work with "AI agents"? How do the humans decide that the agent is finished with the job? Software engineering changes with the tools. Programming via text editors will be less important, that much is clear. But "AI…

AI agents are replacing junior software engineers now at big companies, or at least lowering the number they are hiring.

Currently AI failure modes (consistency over long context lengths, multi-modal consistency, hallucinations) make it untenable as a "full-replacement" software engineer, but effective as a short-term task agent overseen by an engineer who can review code and quickly determine what's good and what's bad. This allows a 5x engineer to become a 7x engineer, 10x become a 13x, etc. which allows the same amount of work to be done with fewer coders, effectively replacing the least productive engineers in aggregate.

However, as those failure modes becomes less and less frequent, we will gradually see "replacement". It will come in the form of senior engineers using AI tools noting that a PR of a certain complexity is coded correctly 99% of the time by a given AI model, so they will start assigning longer, more complex tasks to it and stop overseeing the smaller ones. The length of tasks it can reliably complete get longer and longer, until all a suite of agents needs is a spec, API endpoints and the ability to serve testing deployments to PM's, and it begins doing first only what a small, poorly run team could accomplish, but month after month gets better and better until companies start offloading entire teams to AI models and simply require a higher-up team to check and reconfigure them once and a while and budget manage token use.

This process will continue as long as AI models grow more capable, less hallucinatory over long-context horizons, and agentic/scaffolding systems become more robust and effectively designed to mitigate and deal with the issues affecting the AI models that do exist. It won't be easy or straightforward, but the economic potential gains are so enormous that it makes sense that billions are being poured into any AI agent startup that can snatch a few IOI medalists and a coworking space in SF.

Re: Exhausted man defeats AI model in world coding championship

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post #5

Ten hours is a decent amount of time, so I'm not too surprised the human won. LLMs don't really tend to improve the longer they get to chew on a problem (often the opposite in fact). The LLM was probably getting nowhere trying to improve after the first few minutes.

On the livestream (perhaps elsewhere?) you can watch the submissions and scores come in over time. The LLM steadily increased (and sometimes decreased) it's score over time though by the end did seem to hit a lacuna. You could even see it try out new strategies (with walls e.g.) which didn't appear until about half-way through the competition.
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