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Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by 0xEF »

potato3732842 wrote: post #27
cyral wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need to hand over your passport: they just scan your face now. It's always amazed me how well this works when they are scanning you with the same 2015-era cheap logitech camera I have.

The "magic" is that they have it all joined with the database that tells them who crossed the other way recently, the flight database or the cruise ship database so it's not searching through millions of passport photos every time. They have a pretty good idea of the search space.

It's weaponized pivot tables all the way down.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by axus »

hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

In theory, a law could be proposed at any time, voted on soon after, and the Executive branch should have to follow it.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by JohnFen »

trhway wrote: post #24
JohnFen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a perfect way to make a disastrous situation an order of magnitude more disastrous.

That thinking is how we're getting more and more power asymmetry between government and society. The government knows everything about everybody (even if today it is 90% true it will be 100% tomorrow anyway), and thus has unlimited power over everybody. The only way to defang such power is to make the info public from the beginning.

I don't see how anything is made safer by having everyone and their dog able to access the same information about me that the government has. It's terrible that the government has it and unsiloed it. The rest of the world having it as well doesn't improve that situation. It only exposes me to more threats.

But let me ask you: how would everyone having access to my data improve the situation? I genuinely don't see the upside to that.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by clutchdude »

ta8645 wrote: post #30
hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

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> After two excruciatingly long years, likely voters are beginning to question the federal government’s handling of the pandemic,” said Chris Talgo, senior editor and research fellow at The Heartland Institute, which commissioned this poll. “First and foremost, likely voters are beginning to sour on Dr. Anthony Fauci, who seems to have lost credibility after countless flip-flops.

I mean, you kinda tipped your hand here.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by hnpolicestate »

ta8645 wrote: post #30
hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

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Yep. I lost my city job over mandates. General population suffers from herd mentality.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by dyauspitr »

dmix wrote: post #29
hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

The news of Palantir database was pretty unpopular among the twitter right from what I've seen. If it came to a public vote I doubt "government builds giant surveillance system" would get wide support from anyone even if it was spun as anti-immigrant. This is just something the type of people who end up in government try every year despite the fact few people want it.

By “pretty unpopular” you mean lip service while they vote for the same cretins that are doing this next cycle.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by dragonwriter »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

> As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids.

Both (sweeping away due process for mass deportation, and eliminating restrictions on law enforcement and surveillance in the name of “law and order” generally) were both major promises of Trump’s 2024 campaign and things that he made steps toward limited by institutional forces (courts, political resistance including in some cases from old-line Republicans, etc.), which Trump and the MAGA movement derided as deep state traitors, during his 2017-2021 term.

Kind of surprising to see someone who describes themselves as ex-MAGA who is surprised that the GOP under Trump supports these things.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by bcrosby95 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #36
dmix wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The news of Palantir database was pretty unpopular among the twitter right from what I've seen. If it came to a public vote I doubt "government builds giant surveillance system" would get wide support from anyone even if it was spun as anti-immigrant. This is just something the type of people who end up in government try every year despite the fact few people want it.

By “pretty unpopular” you mean lip service while they vote for the same cretins that are doing this next cycle.

No politician 100% aligns with everything you believe in.

I voted for Obama twice and he certainly disappointed in several ways. But voting for the other guy would have been more disappointing.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by mbostleman »

dragonwriter wrote: post #37
hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

> As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. Both (sweeping away due process for mass deportation, and eliminating restrictions on law enforcement and surveillance in the name of “law and order” generally) were both major promises of Trump’s 2024 campaign and things that he made steps toward limited b…

> sweeping away due process for mass deportation…>

This is pretty off topic obviously but I see this due process claim a lot and I am assuming I’m missing some kind of fundamental legal concepts. And that wouldn’t be surprising because I have no legal background.

If a person is not a citizen, and they’ve overstayed whatever limit there is to staying while not being a citizen, and if the action taken is to remove the person from the country - what role does due process play?

Proof of citizenship seems like it should be a pretty cut and dried thing to determine. It shouldn’t require a court proceeding should it?

If the accusation was like theft or murder and/or the action taken was imprisonment or fines, that would be a different story.

But this is like being escorted out of a movie theater if you can’t present your ticket.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by dmix »

mbostleman wrote: post #39
dragonwriter wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. Both (sweeping away due process for mass deportation, and eliminating restrictions on law enforcement and surveillance in the name of “law and order” generally) were both major promises of Trump’s 2024 campaign and things that he made steps toward limited b…

> sweeping away due process for mass deportation…> This is pretty off topic obviously but I see this due process claim a lot and I am assuming I’m missing some kind of fundamental legal concepts. And that wouldn’t be surprising because I have no legal background. If a person is not a citizen, and they’ve overstayed whatever limit there is to staying while not being a citizen, and if the action taken is to remove the…

US Supreme court has ruled there is due process for illegal immigrants and reaffirmed it in various case law since immigration law became a thing over a century ago. The US was founded on natural rights principals which apply to every person in the country, not just citizens. The right to due process is not something congress can touch via new immigration laws even if they wanted (absent maybe a constitutional amendment).
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