Apple Intelligence Foundation Language Models Tech Report 2025 • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Intelligence Foundation Language Models Tech Report 2025

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Post by ivape » Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 9:38 PM UTC

floam wrote: post #10

JKCalhoun wrote: post #5

I wonder if we'll see these models running on the phone (aiPhone) hardware in the future.

It does. You can use it directly on iOS 26 beta - without writing a line of code I can toy with the on-device model through Shortcuts on my 16 Pro. It’s not meant to be a general purpose chatbot… but it can work as a general purpose chatbot in airplane mode which is a novel experience. https://share.icloud.com/photos/018AYAPEm06ALXciiJAsLGyuA https://share.icloud.com/photos/0f9IzuYQwmhLIcUIhIuDiudFw The above took li…

What’s the cost of pointing it to Private Cloud Compute? It can’t be free, can it?

Re: Apple Intelligence Foundation Language Models Tech Report 2025

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Post by DSingularity » Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 9:49 PM UTC

jhickok wrote: post #30

bitpush wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Apple inevitably partners with OpenAI or Anthropic, which by their definition isnt doing "ethical crawling", I wonder how I should be reading that.

They already partnered with OpenAI, right?

To use their APIs at a discount, so what?

Re: Apple Intelligence Foundation Language Models Tech Report 2025

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Post by msgodel » Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 9:51 PM UTC

frankfrank13 wrote: post #26

AFAICT this is the first commercial model trying to be marketed as responsibly-sourced. Love it, but it also seems like the noise around this issue has died down. Is this for legal cover? Or more apple-privacy marketing

Do people have an issue with the smollm datasets? I guess it isn't really commercial.

Re: Apple Intelligence Foundation Language Models Tech Report 2025

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Post by poszlem » Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 9:55 PM UTC

In the meantime, when I ask Siri to set a timer for 15 minutes, about 10–15% of the time it just says, “Here’s what I found about setting a timer for 15 minutes,” instead of actually setting the timer"

Re: Apple Intelligence Foundation Language Models Tech Report 2025

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Post by mittermayr » Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 9:57 PM UTC

All I can say is, I asked Siri today (verbatim): What is 75 degrees fahrenheit in celsius, and what is 85 degrees in fahrenheit — and it offered a web search about fahrenheit. The "and" completely disabled its most basic ability to do metric conversions.

So, it's nice to see Apple is doing research and talking about it, but we're out here waiting, still waiting, for anything useful to make of it all on our thousand-dollar devices that literally connect us to the world and contain our entire life data. It's what I would've expected from one of the most valuable companies in the world.

Re: Apple Intelligence Foundation Language Models Tech Report 2025

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Post by sneilan1 » Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 10:03 PM UTC

I feel like this is the most exciting news today about AI on hn. I really hope apple shows that small models can be just as capable as the bigger ones. Maybe they have the people on perplexity working on these small models.

Re: Apple Intelligence Foundation Language Models Tech Report 2025

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Post by basisword » Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 10:04 PM UTC

mittermayr wrote: post #35

All I can say is, I asked Siri today (verbatim): What is 75 degrees fahrenheit in celsius, and what is 85 degrees in fahrenheit — and it offered a web search about fahrenheit. The "and" completely disabled its most basic ability to do metric conversions. So, it's nice to see Apple is doing research and talking about it, but we're out here waiting, still waiting, for anything useful to make of it all on our thousand-d…

>> What is 75 degrees fahrenheit in celsius, and what is 85 degrees in fahrenheit

Probably wouldn't have made a difference but the second half of that statement isn't exactly clear. 85 degrees what?

I also think when you're chaining these two separate calculations together you get a problem when it comes to displaying the results.

Re: Apple Intelligence Foundation Language Models Tech Report 2025

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Post by bitpush » Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 10:10 PM UTC

The more I think about Apple, the more I realize that Apple is so far behind. While other companies are pushing the envelope (OpenAI, Anthropic, Google ..) Apple's ambitions seem much much smaller.

And this is after they made very big claims with Apple Intelligence last year, when they had everyone fooled.

This is like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.

Re: Apple Intelligence Foundation Language Models Tech Report 2025

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Post by JimDabell » Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 10:12 PM UTC

DSingularity wrote: post #32

jhickok wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already partnered with OpenAI, right?

To use their APIs at a discount, so what?

Apple aren’t paying OpenAI anything:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-12/apple-to-...

Re: Apple Intelligence Foundation Language Models Tech Report 2025

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Post by outworlder » Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 10:13 PM UTC

bitpush wrote: post #38

The more I think about Apple, the more I realize that Apple is so far behind. While other companies are pushing the envelope (OpenAI, Anthropic, Google ..) Apple's ambitions seem much much smaller. And this is after they made very big claims with Apple Intelligence last year, when they had everyone fooled. This is like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.

Only if you think they _must_ compete with large models on the internet.