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#32> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…
> when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. Funny, I think usually see it in the context of people who are upset that people are stuck listening to what they perceive as bigoted alt-right hate. > Alternative viewpoints, fine. But there are limits I've found that, in my Twitter feed curation anyways, I like having people around wh…
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#33> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…
> To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate.
Good observation! Just like people who talk about peace treaties or cease fires are always enemy agents trying to weaken our resolve. But they can't fool you and me, we're smarter than that.
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#34Love seeing this is a true “SPA”, a literal single index.html page built using one of my favorite little libraries Alpine.js
https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public/blob/main/src/inde...
My pendulum has swung so far away from react and its ilk that this is refreshing to see.
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#35> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…
Echo chambers exist in all communities, and you may be in one whether or not you're aware of it. The only way to step outside of them, if you're at all interested in doing so, is to experience what's happening in other communities. Sometimes those external viewpoints are extreme, and your instinct might be to ignore them. But I would rather know that they exist and what they are, than to completely isolate myself fro…
The best way to avoid echo chambers is to actively seek out a mix of perspectives, even the ones you don’t agree with. But only very intelligent people do this. A tool like this can help by providing multiple sources and showing different sides.
However, this tool doesn't let you ask questions or dig deeper into the context, it's mostly summaries and headlines. Asking questions is actually one of the best ways to avoid echo chambers. But then again, whoever controls the model controls the narrative. That's exactly why Google and Microsoft have poured billions into this tech. Without Microsoft's infra (and "the Gates demo"), ChatGPT probably wouldn't even exist, or it'd just be another research project.
The only downside I see in trying to improve news is that news conglomerates often sue developers or big tech companies. Google, for example, was sued over its Google News operations.
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#36If you could mash this together with this: https://www.newsminimalist.com/ - that would be great.
Thanks for showing this to us. The significance score is interesting. I like what kagi has done here, but news minimalist might be my real find from this post.
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#37> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…
> To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate.
Agreed, though they aren't necessarily using that term in recent years. Nowadays they tend to use terms that evoke "echo chamber" without actually saying it, like "woke mind virus" and "groupthink". And while I agree with some of the other comments that "echo chamber" has since been more used to refer to algorithms, this might be a result of being on Hacker News, which is an echo chamber in itself. I do have a somewhat instinctual aversion to the term "echo chamber" though given its prolific use as a thought-terminating cliche.
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#38>The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise.
No, representations, not reality is what is obtained from this process. Reality is the encompassing whole where these processes happen and whose absolute actual relevant interpretation is beyond what the most sophisticated educated intelligent human will either be able to grab.
I agree this is being very picky about words, and generally speaking, sure shame on me to bring to much focus on such a triviality. But in this specific case of a public announcement of how a company is going to greatly improve news, I feel like it's very relevant that they consider their words with caution.
All that said, good chance to them in the endeavor, that's a nice goal.
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#39I love how there are no ads on the page and it is all for free, no paywalls, private, to the point, no sponsors, just the news. Can you add RSS feeds as well? More news websites need to take a leaf out of Kagi. Edit: The RSS feed is here: https://kite.kagi.com/world.xml
> and it is all for free, I'm guessing it's free for now so people can test it and give feedback, since it's still an MVP. But based on the website, once the app is fully released, you'll have to pay for it. So don't get your hopes up, especially with apps that rely on expensive LLMs. Showing ads or sponsored links is one business model. Charging a subscription to remove them is a different one (like what Twitter rec…
The Kagi I know would never have ads, much less charge to remove them. I'm pretty confident that this service will be another perk of the main Kagi subscription.
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#40I clicked on a story and at the bottom, it lists "sources" (19 in this case). Following one of these sources (a lesser-known site), there is an article, and at the end it says "REUTERS". So, I guess its source was another source. Maybe a site like this should try to root-out the "root source" of information - official press releases or press conferences, eye-witness accounts. I think some editorializing is worthwhile…
Maybe derivative articles could be placed under the source article hierarchically, with some kind of badge on each sub-article indicating percent of significant difference.
That would be great. I get frustrated when I want to read more about a news event and find that all the additional articles just rehash the same information. Instead I want to find other articles about the same event that have additional information.