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GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by _delirium »

adgar wrote: post #15
drats wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone who's not doing graphics as their main job description it is a photoshop killer. Asides from integration with other Adobe products, print colour management and a few higher level features it has everything a person might need who's main job is not image processing. That's most of the "market" in terms of general home users and web designers who need to process photos and do logos etc. So while I imagine ph…

The users you describe typically pirate Photoshop in my experience.

That used to be true of people I know, but a bunch of home users have since moved to Paint.NET on Windows.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by ajross »

rcgs wrote: post #5
jfaucett wrote: post #3

I love it! GIMP is one of those tools that's "almost" a photohop killer, not quite yet, but this is a big step in the right direction. Good job GIMP team! As an asside, I think the plugin API and scheme joice is great and a blast to develope with I'd just like to see others jump on board. EDIT: I thought I'd add this since there seems to be a large discussion below as to the type of user for which GIMP is applicable.…

As someone who uses Photoshop almost every day, it's nowhere near a "photoshop killer". The workflow is still one of the worst I have stumbled across.

My experience (which is a little stale) of watching "photoshop experts" is that this is a familiarity effect. Photoshop workflows are uniformly bizarre and awful, in my experience. Serious practitioners are like voodoo priests, pulling tools out that have no sane relevance to the problem at hand and making them work.

But it works, because you know it really well and have spent (literally, in most cases) years perfecting your art. You haven't done that wiht GIMP, so of course it sucks. But the suckage isn't inherent, it's because the problem is inherently sucky, and you've simply trained your eyes not to see it.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by wtallis »

forgotusername wrote: post #27
wtallis wrote: post #7

So, is this an app that bundles it's own X11, or is it using a Quartz/Cocoa backend for GTK? EDIT: I downloaded it, and the app bundle doesn't seem to have an X11, so that's nice. However, upon firing it up, it throws up a splash screen in front of all other applications. Who still thinks that's acceptable behavior on a multitasking operating system? Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how…

I'm confused. You double clicked an application icon, and the application opened? You seem to be conflating the popular hate for focus being stolen due to some non-consensual event, and the consensual starting of an app. If GIMP didn't have a splash screen, there'd be no indication it was loading at all (and it's one big fat app.. several generations of code including a huge chunk of Python loaded at boot).

OS X app icons bounce in the dock while the app is loading. If it takes a really long time, a splash screen is ok, but a splash screen that sticks around for a full minute and thwarts every attempt to raise a window above it is just insulting.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by adgar »

forgotusername wrote: post #27
wtallis wrote: post #7

So, is this an app that bundles it's own X11, or is it using a Quartz/Cocoa backend for GTK? EDIT: I downloaded it, and the app bundle doesn't seem to have an X11, so that's nice. However, upon firing it up, it throws up a splash screen in front of all other applications. Who still thinks that's acceptable behavior on a multitasking operating system? Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how…

I'm confused. You double clicked an application icon, and the application opened? You seem to be conflating the popular hate for focus being stolen due to some non-consensual event, and the consensual starting of an app. If GIMP didn't have a splash screen, there'd be no indication it was loading at all (and it's one big fat app.. several generations of code including a huge chunk of Python loaded at boot).

It sounds like your parent poster is saying it shows the splash screen over all applications and there's nothing you can do about it. Which is needlessly inconsiderate.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by naz »

wtallis wrote: post #7

So, is this an app that bundles it's own X11, or is it using a Quartz/Cocoa backend for GTK? EDIT: I downloaded it, and the app bundle doesn't seem to have an X11, so that's nice. However, upon firing it up, it throws up a splash screen in front of all other applications. Who still thinks that's acceptable behavior on a multitasking operating system? Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how…

> Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how OS X apps are supposed to behave.

If anything, they're ahead of the curve. Most Apple apps are beginning to follow this behavior: App Store, Calculator, Contacts, Dictionary, DVD Player, FaceTime, Font Book, Game Center, Garage Band, Image Capture, iPhoto, and so on.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by cmelbye »

naz wrote: post #36
wtallis wrote: post #7

So, is this an app that bundles it's own X11, or is it using a Quartz/Cocoa backend for GTK? EDIT: I downloaded it, and the app bundle doesn't seem to have an X11, so that's nice. However, upon firing it up, it throws up a splash screen in front of all other applications. Who still thinks that's acceptable behavior on a multitasking operating system? Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how…

> Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how OS X apps are supposed to behave. If anything, they're ahead of the curve. Most Apple apps are beginning to follow this behavior: App Store, Calculator, Contacts, Dictionary, DVD Player, FaceTime, Font Book, Game Center, Garage Band, Image Capture, iPhoto, and so on.

Notice how most (all?) of those are single window applications.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by llimllib »

fuzionmonkey wrote: post #10

Does it have Retina display support? I'd download this in a heartbeat. It's frustrating how long it is taken Adobe to update their software for Hi-DPI.

No: http://i.imgur.com/5AMU4.jpg

(Edit: that's Gimp and Acorn in the screenshot, respectively, in case you weren't clear what was going on.)

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by jon6 »

OT but is this an official signed application that can work with gatekeeper on 10.8? I recently discovered that my open source project won't work by default on osx 10.8 without me paying $99 to get an apple certificate, which I'm not very interested in doing.

What are open source/free projects supposed to do about gatekeeper?

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by rcgs »

ajross wrote: post #32
rcgs wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who uses Photoshop almost every day, it's nowhere near a "photoshop killer". The workflow is still one of the worst I have stumbled across.

My experience (which is a little stale) of watching "photoshop experts" is that this is a familiarity effect. Photoshop workflows are uniformly bizarre and awful, in my experience. Serious practitioners are like voodoo priests, pulling tools out that have no sane relevance to the problem at hand and making them work. But it works, because you know it really well and have spent (literally, in most cases) years perfect…

When I made my comment I was really referring to one or two-step processes, such as creating a new layer, or adding a border to an image. These things are very easy to do in photoshop, but GIMP makes them more complex than they need to be. (adding dialogues when you create a new layer), requiring a filter to add a border to an image (but I'd be surprised if they hadn't changed that by now).
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