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Re: Blit: a multitasking, windowed Unix GUI from 1982

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Post by wickedchicken »

EGreg wrote: post #29
wickedchicken wrote: post #24

God , here we go again. Yet another example of companies stealing from Apple. This is clearly similar enough to the Macintosh (1984) that I'm surprised Apple didn't sue the hell out of AT&T. They certainly sued the hell out of Microsoft[1], so AT&T must have been lucky. Around the same time, Myron Krueger had the gall to demonstrate pinch-to-zoom[2], nearly 23 years before Apple patented it. So many people piggy-back…

When did Apple patent pinch-to-zoom? This video is from 1988. Are you saying Apple patented it in 2011? First of all in 2006, before the iPhone came out, I saw Jeff Han from NYU demoing much more than just pinch-to-zoom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKh1Rv0PlOQ And secondly, I thought Apple bought the pinch-to-zoom patent! I don't know much about it, but I am curious about the date.

> When did Apple patent pinch-to-zoom? This video is from 1988.

The video is from 1988, but it appears the work was around 1983. The pinch-to-zoom (on 'portable communication devices') patent[1] was filed in 2006, issued in 2010.

[1] http://goo.gl/gHgEB

Re: Blit: a multitasking, windowed Unix GUI from 1982

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Post by mhd »

fosap wrote: post #25
mhd wrote: post #6

Ah, early GUIs. For comparison, take a look at Xerox' Cedar and Smalltalk, or Wirth's Lillith and Oberon, all from pretty much the same era. The Lilith systems are often overlooked. They predate the Blit, are programmed in Modula-2, translated to bytecode. Oberon is a bit more well-known, but still not as much as both the language and the OS deserve. Lilith demo video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob0lznzkykc Some…

If you want more modern early GUIs investigate Plan 9, also by Rob Pike. Rio is like Blit and ACME is like Oberon.

While the pedigree does stretch back a bit, I wouldn't call Acme "early". The paper came out in '94…

Re: Blit: a multitasking, windowed Unix GUI from 1982

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Post by mhd »

Paul_S wrote: post #27
aerique wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you looked at elinks for terminal browsing?

Yeah, elinks handles more websites and renders closer to a graphical browser but w3m uses vim keys.

Well, if you're not that tied to terminal apps, there's always xombrero, jumanji, dwb or luakit.

(Rob Pike himself is pretty proud that he never wrote a program with cursor addressing, there are definitely differences between modern Linux "minimalist" and proper 9fans)

https://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/xombrero

http://pwmt.org/projects/jumanji/

http://portix.bitbucket.org/dwb/

http://mason-larobina.github.com/luakit/

Re: Blit: a multitasking, windowed Unix GUI from 1982

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Post by Paul_S »

mhd wrote: post #34
Paul_S wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, elinks handles more websites and renders closer to a graphical browser but w3m uses vim keys.

Well, if you're not that tied to terminal apps, there's always xombrero, jumanji, dwb or luakit. (Rob Pike himself is pretty proud that he never wrote a program with cursor addressing, there are definitely differences between modern Linux "minimalist" and proper 9fans) https://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/xombrero http://pwmt.org/projects/jumanji/ http://portix.bitbucket.org/dwb/ http://mason-larobina.github.com/lua…

I just use vimperator with iceweasel/firefox.

Re: Blit: a multitasking, windowed Unix GUI from 1982

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Post by pmarin »

mhd wrote: post #32
fosap wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want more modern early GUIs investigate Plan 9, also by Rob Pike. Rio is like Blit and ACME is like Oberon.

While the pedigree does stretch back a bit, I wouldn't call Acme "early". The paper came out in '94…

Acme is based on the Oberon system (1985)

Re: Blit: a multitasking, windowed Unix GUI from 1982

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Post by mhd »

pmarin wrote: post #37
mhd wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the pedigree does stretch back a bit, I wouldn't call Acme "early". The paper came out in '94…

Acme is based on the Oberon system (1985)

Which in turn took quite some influence from Cedar/Mesa at Xerox. But one might as well say that KDE 4.9 (2012) is based on MacOS (1984), that doesn't make it an "early GUI" in my eyes.

Re: Blit: a multitasking, windowed Unix GUI from 1982

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Post by tedunangst »

wickedchicken wrote: post #24

God , here we go again. Yet another example of companies stealing from Apple. This is clearly similar enough to the Macintosh (1984) that I'm surprised Apple didn't sue the hell out of AT&T. They certainly sued the hell out of Microsoft[1], so AT&T must have been lucky. Around the same time, Myron Krueger had the gall to demonstrate pinch-to-zoom[2], nearly 23 years before Apple patented it. So many people piggy-back…

The difference is AT&T has several patents covering blit. Harder to sue someone for stealing your idea when they own the patent, not you. [revised wording]
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