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What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by taeric »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #24
taeric wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the big road block for many people is that exercise itself also hurts? I know that is a hurdle I have with my kids. They complain that jogging/running hurts. It is hard to convince people that that never really changes, and that it also hurts for the people that are doing it every day. Obviously acute pains are a different thing, but there is a reason recovery is a vital part of exercise. We all have to recov…

Jogging is for adults...if they're kids they'd be far better served by playing sports or something. You'll run a mile or two in a soccer or frisbee game without even trying, it will be fun, and you'll socialize

Fair, "kids" is including high schoolers that were considering cross country running classes. :D

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by taeric »

mentos wrote: post #26
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

I’ve been experimenting with making my last meal of the day as far from my sleep as possible ideally waking up at 5am, drinking water / vitamins, exercising by lifting my dumb bells in my studio apartment, eating a 1k calorie breakfast and 1k calorie lunch and done with eating by ~1-2 so I have 4-6 hours to digest before bed Best sleep I’ve ever gotten. You don’t know what you’re missing out on until you’ve experienc…

Meanwhile, I'm finding some of my best sleep in a while by having an espresso before bed. :D

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by yadaeno »

Analemma_ wrote: post #7

The tl;dr is: 1. Apart from ADHD medications, which are very powerful, most drugs and weird obscure supplements have little effect (there are some intriguing but noisy results about peptides). 2. Exercise— especially weightlifting and HIIT— is also very powerful. There's evidence of a dose-response curve where light exercise is good but intense is better. Arguably this is pretty unsurprising, from an evolutionary per…

> It would be strange if our brains had "one weird trick" to perform a lot better with no downsides, since if it existed evolution should've found it

It would not be strange at all. We are constantly evolving and so is our environment. This argument is very similar to the "efficient market fallacy", if the market was perfectly efficient there would be no opportunity to create value, but in reality it is highly imperfect.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by trehalose »

runamuck wrote: post #5

Related: Scott Alexander did a survey and provided analysis for Nootropic effectiveness - https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/nootropics-survey-2020-resu...

It appears he provided an analysis for subjective perception of effectiveness of various nootropics. I don't see much objective measurement of cognitive performance at all here. This kind of survey has value, but I think to call it "analysis for effectiveness" is very misleading.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by WesleyLivesay »

mentos wrote: post #26
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

I’ve been experimenting with making my last meal of the day as far from my sleep as possible ideally waking up at 5am, drinking water / vitamins, exercising by lifting my dumb bells in my studio apartment, eating a 1k calorie breakfast and 1k calorie lunch and done with eating by ~1-2 so I have 4-6 hours to digest before bed Best sleep I’ve ever gotten. You don’t know what you’re missing out on until you’ve experienc…

On the flip side, I get absolutely garbage sleep if I don't eat within about 1-2 hours of going to sleep.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by echelon »

majkinetor wrote: post #23
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

> I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time.

That kind of pain quickly subsides after relaxing your routine though. It's not chronic.

The inflammation pathways aren't the same as disease state pathways.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by jonnybgood »

majkinetor wrote: post #23
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

As one of those random persons who has been weightlifting for 10+ years and is currently in their late 30s, I look great and I feel great. Yes, there is pain because you’re breaking down muscle fibers which repair and become stronger. Lots of people experience delayed onset muscle soreness, which is temporary. Some people don’t learn how to do things correctly and don’t listen to their body so they injure themselves.

What is the muscle building theory? Not everyone who does weightlifting is aiming for hypertrophy. Some are aiming for strength.

Honestly, it sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself not to do it. That’s okay. It’s difficult to know where to begin and avoid potential injury. It does take some time to learn. I like to recommend starting with a functional training class. This kind of class provides a guided session in building strength in everyday movements and provides a steady pace to really tune in to your body. It’s very difficult to injure yourself.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by rybosworld »

majkinetor wrote: post #23
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

There's nuance here.

Soreness is not a bad thing. And it's true that people who regularly exercise will often be in a state where they feel some level of soreness somewhere. That's the kind of pain people say you should embrace.

It's also true that lots of folks injure themselves exercising. Sometimes this leads to having to take time off to recover.

But people who don't exercise are more at risk of injury in general. This is because their tendons, bones, and muscles are less able to deal with sudden stress.

> And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you

And last of all - this is plainly not true...

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by broof »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #19

When the author talks about "weightlifting", I wonder if they specifically mean the sport of snatch and clean & jerk, or "lifting weights" in general

I think most people use weightlifting to refer to lifting weights in general. If someone said “competitive weightlifting” then I would assume that to mean stuff like clean & jerk.

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Post by Scarblac »

cckolon wrote: post #3

> 5 - 9 means strong effects, definitely not placebo. It’s impossible for anyone to say this convincingly about their own experience. If it were easy to tell whether an effect was due to placebo, we wouldn’t need blinded trials!

I'm still in doubt about the effectiveness of parachutes, there's never been a large double blind trial.
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