Live data from Hacker News

Fei-Fei Li: Spatial intelligence is the next frontier in AI [video]

youtube.com

31–40 of 163 posts

Re: Fei-Fei Li: Spatial intelligence is the next frontier in AI [video]

#31
post #21

Most of our spatial intelligence is innate, developed through evolution. We're born with a basic sense of gravity and the ability to track objects. When we learn to drive a car, we simply reassign these built-in skills to a new context

Is there any research about it ? This would mean we massing some knowledge in genes and when offspring born have some knowledge of our ancestors. This would mean the weights are stored in DNA?

Re: Fei-Fei Li: Spatial intelligence is the next frontier in AI [video]

#32

I appreciate the video and generally agree with Fei-Fei but I think it almost understates how different the problem of reasoning about the physical world actually is. Most dynamics of the physical world are sparse, non-linear systems at every level of resolution. Most ways of constructing accurate models mathematically don’t actually work. LLMs, for better or worse, are pretty classic (in an algorithmic information t…

Regarding sparse, nonlinear systems and our ability to learn them:

There is hope. Experimental observation is, that in most cases the coupled high dimensional dynamics almost collapses to low dimensional attractors.

The interesting thing about these is: If we apply a measurement function to their state and afterwards reconstruct a representation of their dynamics from the measurement by embedding, we get a faithful representation of the dynamics with respect to certain invariants.

Even better, suitable measurement functions are dense in function space so we can pick one at random and get a suitable one with probability one.

What can be glanced about the dynamics in terms of of these invariants can learned for certain, experience shows that we can usually also predict quite well.

There is a chain of embedding theorems by Takens and Sauer gradually broadening the scope of applicability from deterministic chaos towards stochasticly driven deterministic chaos.

Note embedding here is not what current computer science means by the word.

I spend most of my early adulthood doing theses things, would be cool to see them used once more.

Re: Fei-Fei Li: Spatial intelligence is the next frontier in AI [video]

#33
post #27

We've been working on this challenge in the satellite domain with https://earthgpt.app . It’s a subset of what Fei-Fei is describing, but comes with its own unique issues like handling multi-resolution sensors and imagery with hundreds of spectral bands. Think of it as computer vision, but in n-dimensions. Happy to answer questions if you're curious. PS. still in early beta, so please be gentle!

Hey, cool project!

Do you actually pass the images to the model, or just the metadata/stats?

Re: Fei-Fei Li: Spatial intelligence is the next frontier in AI [video]

#34
post #31
post #21

Most of our spatial intelligence is innate, developed through evolution. We're born with a basic sense of gravity and the ability to track objects. When we learn to drive a car, we simply reassign these built-in skills to a new context

Is there any research about it ? This would mean we massing some knowledge in genes and when offspring born have some knowledge of our ancestors. This would mean the weights are stored in DNA?

Horses can be blindfolded at birth and when removed do basic navigation with no time for any training. Other non-visually precocious animals like cats, if they miss a critical development period without getting natural vision data, will never develop a functioning visual system.

Baby chicks can do bipedal balance pretty much as soon as they dry off.

Wood ducks can visually imprint very soon after hatching and drying off, a couple hours after birth with very limited visual data up until then and no interspersed sleep cycles.

We as humans have natural reactions to snake like shapes etc. even before encountering the danger of them or learning about it from social cues. Babies

Re: Fei-Fei Li: Spatial intelligence is the next frontier in AI [video]

#35
post #10

makes sense - humans have evolved a lot of wetware dedicated to 3D processing from stereo 2D. I've made some progress on a PoC in 3D reconstruction - detecting planes, edges, pipes from pointclouds from lidar scans, eg : https://youtu.be/-o58qe8egS4 .. and am bootstrapping with in-house gigs as I build out the product. Essentially it breaks down to a ton of matmulls, and I use a lot of tricks from pre-LLM ML .. this…

SplatAM is an interesting new way to generate 3D Gaussians in real-time. It relies on RGB+D data and doesn’t need COLMAP at all. I am not related to it but am using it for a project with a robot, as its main purpose is to do SLAM. As far as I understand, it uses the point cloud for the alignment of the images

edit:typo

Re: Fei-Fei Li: Spatial intelligence is the next frontier in AI [video]

#36
post #10

makes sense - humans have evolved a lot of wetware dedicated to 3D processing from stereo 2D. I've made some progress on a PoC in 3D reconstruction - detecting planes, edges, pipes from pointclouds from lidar scans, eg : https://youtu.be/-o58qe8egS4 .. and am bootstrapping with in-house gigs as I build out the product. Essentially it breaks down to a ton of matmulls, and I use a lot of tricks from pre-LLM ML .. this…

I have worked around spatial AI for a number of years.

Most of the stuff I have been working with has been aimed at low power consumption. One of the things that really helped is not bothering with dense reconstruction at all.

things like scenescript and SpaRP where instead of trying to capture all the geometry (like photogrammetry) the essential dimensions are captured and either outputted to a text description (scene script) or a simple model with decent normals (SpaRP)

Humans don't really keep complex dense reconstructions in our head. Its all about spatial relationships of landmarks.

Re: Fei-Fei Li: Spatial intelligence is the next frontier in AI [video]

#37
post #22

I appreciate the video and generally agree with Fei-Fei but I think it almost understates how different the problem of reasoning about the physical world actually is. Most dynamics of the physical world are sparse, non-linear systems at every level of resolution. Most ways of constructing accurate models mathematically don’t actually work. LLMs, for better or worse, are pretty classic (in an algorithmic information t…

To make this more concrete: ImageNet enabled computer "vision" by providing images + labels, enabling the computer to take an image and spit out a label. LLM training sets enable text completion by providing text + completions, enabling the computer to take a piece of text and spit out its completion. Learning how the physical world works (not just kind of works a la videogames, actually works ) is not only about a j…

>there is really only one usable dataset: the world itself, which cannot be compacted or fed into a computer at high speed.

Why wouldn't it be? If the world is ingressed via video sensors and lidar sensor, what's the hangup in recording such input and then replaying it faster?

Re: Fei-Fei Li: Spatial intelligence is the next frontier in AI [video]

#38
An immaterial side note: funny how obsessed she seems to be with her age. She said once that people in the audience could be half or even third of her age. Given that she's 49, is it really typical that 16-year olds attend these fireside YC chats?

Re: Fei-Fei Li: Spatial intelligence is the next frontier in AI [video]

#39
post #3

It's hard to describe, but it's felt like LLMs have completely sucked the entire energy out of computer vision. Like... I know CVPR still happens and there's great research that comes out of it, but almost every single job posting in ML is about LLMs to do this and that to the detriment of computer vision.

I feel like 3D reconstruction/bundle adjustment is one of those things where LLMs and new AI stuff haven't managed to get a significant foothold. Recently VGGT won best paper which is good for them, but for the most part, stuff like NERF and Gaussian Splatting still rely on good old COLMAP for bundle adjustment using SIFT features. Also, LLMs really suck at some basic tasks like counting the sides of a polygon.

> LLMs really suck at some basic tasks like counting the sides of a polygon.

Oh indeed, but thats not using tokens correctly. if you want to do that, then tokenise the number of polygons....

Re: Fei-Fei Li: Spatial intelligence is the next frontier in AI [video]

#40

An immaterial side note: funny how obsessed she seems to be with her age. She said once that people in the audience could be half or even third of her age. Given that she's 49, is it really typical that 16-year olds attend these fireside YC chats?

Possible, yes .. which validates her statement.

Typical? Probably not, but hardly relevant to the truthiness of the claim.

Post reply on HN