While it's generally estimated that Israel has nukes, there's actually no evidence that they do. They've never tested one and you're never going to hold something in your pocket for defense that's untested. 1998 India/Pakistan was a rough year; but every nuclear power has tested their bombs to make sure they work. There are detection systems that were able to detect sub kiloton explosions in NK from across the world;…
Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?
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#32While it's generally estimated that Israel has nukes, there's actually no evidence that they do. They've never tested one and you're never going to hold something in your pocket for defense that's untested. 1998 India/Pakistan was a rough year; but every nuclear power has tested their bombs to make sure they work. There are detection systems that were able to detect sub kiloton explosions in NK from across the world;…
Vela Incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident
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#33While it's generally estimated that Israel has nukes, there's actually no evidence that they do. They've never tested one and you're never going to hold something in your pocket for defense that's untested. 1998 India/Pakistan was a rough year; but every nuclear power has tested their bombs to make sure they work. There are detection systems that were able to detect sub kiloton explosions in NK from across the world;…
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#34While it's generally estimated that Israel has nukes, there's actually no evidence that they do. They've never tested one and you're never going to hold something in your pocket for defense that's untested. 1998 India/Pakistan was a rough year; but every nuclear power has tested their bombs to make sure they work. There are detection systems that were able to detect sub kiloton explosions in NK from across the world;…
That's one take.
It's really hard to say what the US has allowed as regards Israel. Locals near a particular nuclear facility can recall an Israeli "team of scientists" mysteriously visiting the facility, a year or so before Israel declared themselves a nuclear power. The assumption is that they "snuck" material out, while US officials were "distracted" - by prior agreement.
I believe the US nuclear-armed Israel directly.
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#35I don't know what the point of nukes are anymore. They will never be used. You'd figure giving Ukraine long range missiles would provoke Russia into using theirs, but they haven't. What would it take other than another nuclear strike to cause Russia or anyone with nukes to actually use them? Separately, if Israel nukes Iran, will we be OK with it? Is there anything Israel can do that would make us say "Stop"?
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#36While it's generally estimated that Israel has nukes, there's actually no evidence that they do. They've never tested one and you're never going to hold something in your pocket for defense that's untested. 1998 India/Pakistan was a rough year; but every nuclear power has tested their bombs to make sure they work. There are detection systems that were able to detect sub kiloton explosions in NK from across the world;…
> While it's generally estimated that Israel has nukes, there's actually no evidence that they do. They've never tested one and you're never going to hold something in your pocket for defense that's untested. That's one take. It's really hard to say what the US has allowed as regards Israel. Locals near a particular nuclear facility can recall an Israeli "team of scientists" mysteriously visiting the facility, a year…
Israel has never declared themselves a nuclear power. They literally have a hebrew word for their refusal to answer questions on the matter.
That's also a very very suspicious story that anonymous locals near an anonymous nuclear facility that supposedly knew about a top secret team of israel scientists...
>I believe the US nuclear-armed Israel directly.
I doubt.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Way too many Americans are Biblical literalists and think there's some kind of cosmic destiny that requires the US to defend Israel.
They’re dispensationalists, though. Actual biblical literalists would probably have a hard time reconciling St. Paul with this idea that the modern nation-state of Israel has anything at all to do with the Israel of either the Old or New Testaments.
It's not Kearney & Ritchie.
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Way too many Americans are Biblical literalists and think there's some kind of cosmic destiny that requires the US to defend Israel.
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#39I'd actually feel safer if Iran just got it over with and developed/tested their own nuclear weapons. Then SA would get theirs, along with Egypt and Turkey, and all this low-grade (and brutal, primarily to civilians) nonstop warfare in the middle east would come grinding to a halt as everyone is forced to treat their neighbors with respect.
You actually want a theocracy whose religion considers non-muslims to go sub-humam to have nukes and would even feel safer? The only thing that would make this constant war stop would be to cut all nations participating in these wars entirely off from the modern world. Revoke any travel permits, and stop any and all goods traveling to/from their borders, including to any nations ignoring such a ban. The only reason w…
we already support and BACK a theocracy, that considers (palestinian) non jews to be subhuman , to have nukes. You can argue all you want about Israel being a theocracy but their constitution mandates a jewish state. Your religion is on your passport and strongly impacts your quality of life when you're in the regime.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
They’re dispensationalists, though. Actual biblical literalists would probably have a hard time reconciling St. Paul with this idea that the modern nation-state of Israel has anything at all to do with the Israel of either the Old or New Testaments.
It is literally impossible to state objectively what "actual biblical literalists" would believe, as the document is massive, self-contradictory, and written with heavy use of allegory and metaphor. It's not Kearney & Ritchie.