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Re: Why it's so hard to find a photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon

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Post by bootload »

monsterix wrote: post #10

Well that's a very interesting article to bring out facts. There are at least a billion people out there who still think this guy: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5903HR.jpg is Neil Armstrong. Also there is another half-a-billion or so which thinks man never landed on moon. Darn the fluff, get the truth. Upvoted.

"... at least a billion people out there who still think this guy: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5903HR.jpg is Neil Armstrong ..."

Even a cursory look reveals the astronaut has a name tag with "E ALDRIN" on it. Neil's always in the reflection of Aldrins visor.

Re: Why it's so hard to find a photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon

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Post by jyap »

batista wrote: post #29
jyap wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only people who care that it isn't a picture of Neil Armstrong are: - People who know it isn't a picture of Neil Armstrong and feel like they need to point that out. - People who are bothered by the slight inaccuracy that it isn't a picture taken of him. Either way, he took the picture. He took one of the most famous pictures. If the caption to the picture reads "Buzz Aldrin as captured by Neil Armstrong", who ca…

> If the caption to the picture reads "Buzz Aldrin as captured by Neil Armstrong", who cares? I _effin_ care. E.g. I want a picture of Neil Armstrong for my article. Not a picture that _he_ took of somebody else. Not a quick sketch he did of his cat. I want a picture of HIM, preferably on the moon. That he "took the picture" is meaningless for the purposes of _showing_ the man in action. If I was writing about Knuth…

Find me a credible publication that will:

A) Use the mentioned picture as the centerpiece to their article.

B) State incorrectly that it is a picture of Neil Armstrong.

Neither is likely to happen. It is just a common misconception that it is a picture of Neil Armstrong since it is the most famous picture of the mission and because people know Neil Armstrong. People see the picture and assume it is Neil Armstrong. Credible publications won't use the picture.

The parent article makes out that there aren't many pictures of Neil Armstrong. They will most likely use the one mentioned taken by Buzz Aldrin or this one:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/20...

Re: Why it's so hard to find a photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon

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Post by sp332 »

hastur wrote: post #13

Because it's all a conspiracy. There isn't and never was a moon. See here a British youth journalist challenge Buzz Aldrin about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kKFYTBo6kA

I prefer this brief interview about the "hoax" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7KgdehBBsw&t=4m20s

Re: Why it's so hard to find a photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon

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Post by TheTruthIsHere »

wazoox wrote: post #16
monsterix wrote: post #10

Well that's a very interesting article to bring out facts. There are at least a billion people out there who still think this guy: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5903HR.jpg is Neil Armstrong. Also there is another half-a-billion or so which thinks man never landed on moon. Darn the fluff, get the truth. Upvoted.

> Also there is another half-a-billion or so which thinks man never landed on moon. Citation needed. It looks to me like only a small gang of wingnuts are part of the "moon landing conspiration believers" (I never met one). Like s slight portion of those believing that 9/11 was a CIA/Israeli job, or that there isn't any biological evolution.

Obviously you live in US, get your information from mainstream media (instead of doing your own research on the Web) and belong to the upper middle class. That's in my humble experience the only type of guy, who would never meet anyone disagreeing with government propaganda.

In Latin America, East Europe, Arabic countries, Russia and Japan ~90% of the people I talked to believe 9/11 was an inside job.

As for the moon landings - I'm one of those conspiracy believers. I've looked at what NASA&Co has to say and it's far from convincing. Here's a good site IMHO proving Armstrong and the other 20 astronauts never left Earth orbit: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo4.html .

Re: Why it's so hard to find a photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon

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Post by TheTruthIsHere »

tjoff wrote: post #14
erez wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example, the moon landing is a subject of many conspiracy theorists who claim it was fabricated. A doctored image (esp. by NASA) published just gives them another reason to argue that there was never a moon-landing as all the images from it are obviously fake. Second, any reporter must verify his, or her sources, otherwise they are subject to manipulation and if a source is falsifying information, for whatever re…

Conspiracy theorists don't need reasons to argue. that information must not be used as the reported cannot know to which degree was the information tampered with Yet, in this case the reporter knows to which degree the information was tampered with - and the reporter has no problem verifying it either.

"Conspiracy theorists don't need reasons to argue."

And people brainwashed by mainstream propaganda don't need reasons to repeat what they've heard on TV ;-)

Re: Why it's so hard to find a photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon

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Post by nandemo »

wazoox wrote: post #16
monsterix wrote: post #10

Well that's a very interesting article to bring out facts. There are at least a billion people out there who still think this guy: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5903HR.jpg is Neil Armstrong. Also there is another half-a-billion or so which thinks man never landed on moon. Darn the fluff, get the truth. Upvoted.

> Also there is another half-a-billion or so which thinks man never landed on moon. Citation needed. It looks to me like only a small gang of wingnuts are part of the "moon landing conspiration believers" (I never met one). Like s slight portion of those believing that 9/11 was a CIA/Israeli job, or that there isn't any biological evolution.

I'm not claiming grandparent's number is correct, but it's at least plausible:

> A 2000 poll held by the Russian Public Opinion Fund found that 28% of those surveyed did not believe that American astronauts landed on the Moon, and this percentage is roughly equal in all social-demographic groups.[19] In 2009, a poll held by the United Kingdom's Engineering & Technology magazine found that 25% of those surveyed did not believe that men landed on the Moon.[20] Another poll gives that 25% of 18–25-year-olds surveyed were unsure that the landings happened.[21]

Note that a belief that "man never landed on moon" could be just out of ignorance, not necessarily a belief in a conspiracy. And considering that both the UK and Russia have relatively very high educational standards, it's not hard to believe the percentage is much higher elsewhere.

> Like s slight portion of those believing that 9/11 was a CIA/Israeli job,

"Slight portion"? Citation needed. :-)

Re: Why it's so hard to find a photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon

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Post by sausagefeet »

jyap wrote: post #28
batista wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> .. And who cares if it isn't a picture of Neil? Editors searching for pictures of Neil? Because he was the one that died recently and they have to write stories about him?

The only people who care that it isn't a picture of Neil Armstrong are: - People who know it isn't a picture of Neil Armstrong and feel like they need to point that out. - People who are bothered by the slight inaccuracy that it isn't a picture taken of him. Either way, he took the picture. He took one of the most famous pictures. If the caption to the picture reads "Buzz Aldrin as captured by Neil Armstrong", who ca…

Slight inaccuracy? What?

Re: Why it's so hard to find a photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon

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Post by thinkingisfun »

nicholassmith wrote: post #7
teebs wrote: post #4

Pardon my ignorance, but why is it so horrible to use a photo manipulated by the source--especially if you know exactly how and why it was manipulated, and you still have access to the original? This manipulation seems rather benign, too. Why must it be "removed from your photo archives"?

Journalistic ethics basically.

Generally yeah, but in this case? If they 100% knew for a fact that the sky above his head was black, then adding some black padding is fine. Maybe not from a photography standpoint, but from a journalistic one? Come on..

Re: Why it's so hard to find a photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon

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Post by m_for_monkey »

jordanb wrote: post #19
erez wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example, the moon landing is a subject of many conspiracy theorists who claim it was fabricated. A doctored image (esp. by NASA) published just gives them another reason to argue that there was never a moon-landing as all the images from it are obviously fake. Second, any reporter must verify his, or her sources, otherwise they are subject to manipulation and if a source is falsifying information, for whatever re…

The "doctoring" of the photo involves cropping part of the bottom away and adding a black border to the top. It was clearly done to improve the composition rather than to deceive or mislead. If crops, borders, rotations, etc. constitute "doctoring" then virtually every publicity photo NASA releases has been doctored. And if those minor transformations aren't allowed then surely none of the composite photos from the M…

Even a simple crop can make a large effect: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread545972/pg1
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