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Scientists Invent Oxygen Particle, Allows You To Live Without Breathing

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Re: Scientists Invent Oxygen Particle, Allows You To Live Without Breathing

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So how long before this becomes the standard safety kit for moon/mars colonials?

I think since the moon doesn't have an atmosphere, the vacuum will quickly tear you apart from liquid evaporation anyway.

The question of what happens to humans in the vacuum of space is a popular one. Below are some articles with answers.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.h...

http://www.damninteresting.com/outer-space-exposure/

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Living on mars without a helmet? :D

The pressure difference because of lack of atmosphere would cause strange effects (I don't know what might be, I'm no physicist).

You might be able to gradually equalize internal/external pressure over time.

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This is early, but I want it, now. I have a huge number of questions. My mother has idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis, a disease that irreversibly scars the lungs, restricting breathing over time. My grandmother died of it; my aunt just had both lungs transplanted; my mother is at the front of the list for a double-lung transplant (and can be called in at any time - we all have to keep our cell phones on). There's every…

The sensation of shortness of breath is complex. It doesn't depend on oxygen levels in the blood much at all, until they are dangerously low. It has more to do with blood pH and CO2 levels, as well as perceived work of breathing, and a whole lot of other factors we don't understand. Maintaining adequate blood oxygenation is unlikely to do much to fix the shortness of breath caused by IPF.

If this technology comes to fruition, it would increase the number of people able to survive until transplant. There already aren't enough lungs about though...

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I don't get it. How are you going to get enough oxygen (trapped in pockets of) a 3cc lipid injection to stay functioning? I breathe 10x that amount of air in a second. Even if I only get 1/10 of that as oxygen into my blood stream,... what that 3cc delivers is still practically nothing.

Inhaled air is about 20% oxygen... exhaled air about 15%. So a small volume of dense oxygen might replace many breaths of much larger volume.

(A speculative nanotech dream for decades has been a manufactured red blood cell replacement, able to store and gradually release far more oxygen than naturally available - allowing cessation of breathing for hours if not days.)

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I don't get it. How are you going to get enough oxygen (trapped in pockets of) a 3cc lipid injection to stay functioning? I breathe 10x that amount of air in a second. Even if I only get 1/10 of that as oxygen into my blood stream,... what that 3cc delivers is still practically nothing.

Breathing only extracts ~25% of the oxygen in the air (ie, the air we inhale is ~20% oxygen, the air we exhale is roughly 15% oxygen) (just as an FYI).

I'm having a hard time seeing where you're getting 3cc from? I'm looking around the article, as well as the one that tokenadult posted, and I can't get a volume listed anywhere.

But yeah, tidal volume (or a normal breath) is roughly 500ml, so you'll need like 25ml of oxygen supplied per breath. Normal adult does something like 20ish breaths a minute, so you need to put in at least 500mL of oxygen a minute to survive - at normal levels. You can probably get away with a lot less, especially if the patient is unconscious (somehow).

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Re: Scientists Invent Oxygen Particle, Allows You To Live Without Breathing

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This is early, but I want it, now. I have a huge number of questions. My mother has idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis, a disease that irreversibly scars the lungs, restricting breathing over time. My grandmother died of it; my aunt just had both lungs transplanted; my mother is at the front of the list for a double-lung transplant (and can be called in at any time - we all have to keep our cell phones on). There's every…

Navy doctor here. I wish your family the best of luck. Pulmonary fibrosis is a tough disease, no magic pill. However, the O2 tanks are no where near the size of a torpedo, even a relatively small air-launched torp would be over 10x the volume. Probably irrelevant to the topic, except I don't want folks to misunderstand how huge torpedoes are.

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How do you remove carbon dioxide?

Indeed! So now you've got 30 minutes worth of CO2 hanging around in your blood... Surely that's going to cause some issues? Anyone with some biology smarts able to explain if this would be a problem? That aside, I wonder what the nano-med applications are for this. For example an implant for high-risk patients that injects a dose upon respiratory failure etc. Heck if it were feasible such would be handy for anyone to…

The only way the CO2 can leave is through the lungs. If your airways are blocked, you're going to be facing some major blood pH issues with all that built up CO2. This can happen really fast too. Simply hypo-ventilating can cause the pH of the blood to drop due to buildup of CO2.

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How do you remove carbon dioxide?

Indeed! So now you've got 30 minutes worth of CO2 hanging around in your blood... Surely that's going to cause some issues? Anyone with some biology smarts able to explain if this would be a problem? That aside, I wonder what the nano-med applications are for this. For example an implant for high-risk patients that injects a dose upon respiratory failure etc. Heck if it were feasible such would be handy for anyone to…

Yes - the inability to expel CO2 can be a huge and often fatal problem. The technical term is hypercapnia.
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