Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court • Hacker News Board

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

#31

Post by jkestner » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 5:43 PM UTC

nemomarx wrote: post #14

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #2

Call your elected representatives. Attend a protest. Make noise. Above all else, protect your family, friends, and neighbors. We do not have to sit back and let this happen.

they did just shoot two elected representatives so I think we're a little beyond protests working

Sustained protests are merely a part of what's necessary.

Sure would help if the media would cover them to the extent that they did for George Floyd/Women's March/etc.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

#32

Post by potato3732842 » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 5:44 PM UTC

stingrae wrote: post #22

It is insane that federal agents are allowed to roam around in masks, without ID and just arrest people.

Any agent of the state. If I were King(TM) it wouldn't even be possible to call in an anonymous tip to the most mundane of local government offices. Sure a few people would get some retribution initially but eventually it'd result in better alignment between the interests of the state and people. Anything not worth doing fully above the table isn't worth doing.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

#33

Post by docdeek » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 5:46 PM UTC

lesuorac wrote: post #7

blindriver wrote: post #3

[flagged]

You simply can't arrest people without cause. Generally that cause is a warrant.

Not American but are law enforcement required to present the warrant to a person who is not the individual named in the warrant? It would make sense to present it to their attorney but this gentleman seems like a third party.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

#34

Post by crises-luff-6b » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 5:46 PM UTC

krapp wrote: post #29

NickC25 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the gameplan, it's written in detail in the Project 2025 outline...

But Trump pinky swore he wouldn't do a fascism!

[dead]

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

#35

Post by crises-luff-6b » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

bigyabai wrote: post #8

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #2

Call your elected representatives. Attend a protest. Make noise. Above all else, protect your family, friends, and neighbors. We do not have to sit back and let this happen.

My elected representative gets (credible) death threats if they resist executive monarchy.

[dead]

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

#36

Post by jkestner » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

stingrae wrote: post #22

It is insane that federal agents are allowed to roam around in masks, without ID and just arrest people.

Even more insane that the lack of accountability means that common criminals and vigilantes pose as federal agents to kidnap or rob people. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-r...

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

#37

Post by orwin » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

garciasn wrote: post #24

nemomarx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they did just shoot two elected representatives so I think we're a little beyond protests working

When someone attempted to assassinate Trump would you have lumped all of those against Trump into "they"? I don't support what the current administration is doing; not by a long shot. But to say, "they did just shoot two elected representatives," is disingenuous at best.

I have lumped every people with roughly the same ideology as the Trump shooter in a 'they'.

I don't remember the exact sentence but it was something like that: "That's the issue with pandering to violent conspiracy theorists, if they feel betrayed they will aim that violence at you".

Do you disagree with this characterization?

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

#38

Post by amanaplanacanal » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

NickC25 wrote: post #5

Just dumb. ICE are out of control. I wonder why...

Nah, they are completely in the control of Stephen Miller. This is the way he wants it.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

#39

Post by lesuorac » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

distortionfield wrote: post #18

deadbabe wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

This is the natural end result of giving the president qualified immunity for acts in office. There is now no reason for them to follow the law.

How?

None of these individuals are the president.

It's the effect of qualified immunity for non-presidents.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

#40

Post by Juliate » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 5:51 PM UTC

There's a thing I don't get, as a non-USAmerican.

If someone unidentified, masked, showing no warrant, no legal justification of anything, kidnaps/attempts to kidnap someone, how are (organised) citizens not in their legitimate right to retaliate, according to what their local state allows them to?

Similarly, why/how are the law enforcement units not taking side against those kidnapping?

I mean, in my country, this would obviously call for immediate intervention of the police, but maybe that's because I'm still in a country where administrative enforcement is still ultimately under the control of the judiciary branch.