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Re: Windows 10 EOL

#31

Post by Lammy »

I've already been living this life for half a decade, since my PC's motherboard only supports up to Windows 10 v1909 for some reason. No idea why or what component could be the cause, but the later updates indeed fail to install and automatically roll back to v1909 when I try. They eventually updated the product page to mention it: https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X10SAE (at the very bottom)

> Note: Win 10 OS can't support beyond 19H2 version

Verdict: It's been actually amazing, and I had forgotten how much I love having a computer that never decides that it's acceptable to interrupt my workspace because it knows better than me. Anyone who wants to tell me to BE AFRAID is welcome to come haxx0r my Gibson and make me believe, otherwise I'll happily keep using this garbage forever ;)

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#32

Post by EvanAnderson »

I'm having a lot of luck "upgrading" Windows 10 Pro to 11 24H2 on "unsupported" PCs with the setup command line arguments: setup.exe /Product Server /Compat IgnoreWarning

I'm sure an update will break the machines, down the road, but for now it's letting me eek a little more life out of some machines.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#33

Post by immibis »

candiddevmike wrote: post #6
v9v wrote: post #2

Why do people keep bringing up this e-waste argument and act like they have to throw their Windows 10 computers into the garbage? It's not like the operating system stops working the second official support ends.

Maybe they're throwing them in the garbage and getting Macs? When the choice is leave the ecosystem or embrace 1984: the desktop, it seems like a worthwhile complaint. Microsoft burned everyone's trust by thinking they can charge money for an OS AND sell your data.

Whoa there - the Apple ecosystem is also 1984: the desktop.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#34

Post by pkulak »

vondur wrote: post #25

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended su…

I buy old laptops and corporate desktops off eBay (and FreeGeek) constantly. I really hope people sell them instead of recycling them. They're not worthless, especially to people like me with zero interest in Windows.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#35

Post by p0w3n3d »

oneZergArmy wrote: post #26

I'd love it if manufacturers would unlock the BIOS of business-grade laptops when Windows 10 ends, but I don't have any hope. Two of my laptops will just.. die, as I can't install Linux on them.

Which ones may I ask?

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#36

Post by Xiol32 »

sergiotapia wrote: post #12

Very frustrated with Windows in general. I just discovered they are throttling my computer with Efficiency Mode on processes like Brave, Bruno, Cursor, etc. It's like that Auto Shutoff they added to cars. Helps no one, and nobody wanted it. (Thanks Obama https://www.newsweek.com/automatic-start-stop-technology-new... ) I would be on Linux today if Steam OS came out properly for desktop. I'm ready to dip.

You don't need SteamOS.

Just install Steam on any distribution (I use Fedora) and it all just works like SteamOS - Proton use is transparent.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#37

Post by JCattheATM »

officeplant wrote: post #18
JCattheATM wrote: post #11

I guess I'm going to have to put in effort to tame W11 into submission the way I did 10, but I'm not looking forward it - I honestly rarely have a need for it these days.

Most things can be registry edited back into reasonable form including the new right click menus. The task/start bar is unfortunately not size adjustable anymore and requires third party replacement if you want that back. It can be molded back into a reasonable Windows experience, but I imagine future updates will break every change I make at least once.

I was using OpenShell with W10 so needing a thirdparty taskbar isn't horrible. I see people complaining they can't truly disable updates on 10, which I did without too much of an issue. Truly removing and shrinking down everything was a project, but it's been solid and fast since doing so.

I kept a lot of notes and a lot should still apply to 11, but it's still a chore. I'm actually looking at recreating Tiny11 as a base and figuring out what to manually add back on a case by case basis to have all the functionality I need.

I will need something to run GTA6 when it comes, if nothing else.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#38

Post by silotis »

CursedSilicon wrote: post #4

>Instead, they made some arbitrary reason to deprecate "old" hardware The criteria was based on hardware mitigation support for Meltdown and Spectre patches. Because at the time those vulnerabilities could be exploited by executing malicious javascript in a browser to steal passwords

> Because at the time those vulnerabilities could be exploited by executing malicious javascript in a browser to steal passwords

"could be" is doing a lot of work here. AFAIK there has never been a PoC or active exploit which actually exfiltrates sensitive data from a browser using these vulnerabilities. Anyways, browsers have long since implemented software mitigations.

IIRC the real criteria for W11 support has to do with TPMs. Microsoft really wants to have secure boot on all Windows systems.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#39

Post by dale_huevo »

vondur wrote: post #25

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended su…

Why is this e-waste when compared to old Mac laptops - many of which are in perfect working order, save Apple arbitrarily stopping OS updates because they were too lazy to maintain or update device drivers. Somehow MS requiring TPM2 for Windows 11 was the end of humanity as we know it, but a Mac with a T2 chip is heralded as progress.

If anything many of these PCs will enjoy a second life off eBay in someone's home-lab running Linux. One of the most popular "servers" in the home-lab community are those little Lenovo Thinkstations you see in hospitals.

Edit: if you're a sysadmin at a university, aren't you replacing machines every 3-5 years anyway?

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#40

Post by mock-possum »

candiddevmike wrote: post #6
v9v wrote: post #2

Why do people keep bringing up this e-waste argument and act like they have to throw their Windows 10 computers into the garbage? It's not like the operating system stops working the second official support ends.

Maybe they're throwing them in the garbage and getting Macs? When the choice is leave the ecosystem or embrace 1984: the desktop, it seems like a worthwhile complaint. Microsoft burned everyone's trust by thinking they can charge money for an OS AND sell your data.

I have an old MacBook that even after a factory reset or a wipe and reinstall from scratch is unusably slow and can’t update to the latest OS, and so isn’t compatible with updates to software I use or new stuff I might be interested in -

Like come on. Let’s not pretend this is a M$ problem. Apple is just as greedy in terms of what is effectively planned obsolescence.

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