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Your Job used to impress people. That era just ended

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Re: Your Job used to impress people. That era just ended

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I have to admit while I think this knowledge work automation push is all going to be a complete disaster for my own life, I do love that we're finally seeing the educated, "my job is more impressive than yours" class get knocked down a peg or two. I come from a working class background and for years (decades I guess) my family (especially my dad) has been competing with mass low-skilled immigration, outsourcing, and…

There's a lot here I feel I can respond to, and I can't help but agree with the sentiment; I've been saying something like that to people here for years and was dismissed. That said, I think most of the push to drive down labor standards is really coming more from the owner/capitalist class than anyone else. Obviously, they've got the most incentive to do so. What will vex me unendingly is that so many in labor vote…

Glad to hear you resonated with what I said. After I wrote it I thought I probably got a bit too heated...

On your point about the the owner/capitalist class, I think that should be assumed honestly. The thing that's broken in recent years is that the politicians decided that the old model of paying a lot for quality products that lasted and were produced domestically was a bad model when you can import cheap crap by exploiting foreign workers.

This idea that cost increases are bad because if the iPhone was built in the US by low-skilled labors we'd have to pay them a decent wage is hard for me to understand. We should want to pay more given the knowledge that we're supporting the employment of our neighbours and friends. Sure, GDP and productivity might not be as high, but it's not like they were so poor in the 1950s that people couldn't afford a good quality of life. In fact, in many senses the quality of life the average person enjoyed before this was far higher.

We seem to have traded a more equally prosperous society for one which is equally prosperous, but deeply unequal. And for whose benefit? Knowledge workers and CEOs. (In my opinion anyway)

Re: Your Job used to impress people. That era just ended

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I read a bit of this and sort of just glazed over The fact is that people have never been that impressed by job titles, at least not in my lifetime No one's ever been like "oh wow you're a software engineer? That's so incredible" Mostly if they're impressed, it's because it pays well and they assume I'm pretty rich I'm not. I do really well compared to my peers, yes, but ultimately I'm still living the same kind of m…

(I know this isn't quite what the article is getting at)

Job titles are important to some people, not to others. I think it's usually insider vs outsider.

To an outsider, "I'm a doctor" sounds impressive/interesting, but less so to someone in the medical profession.

and then, I'm reminded of the sr71 story...

https://www.thesr71blackbird.com/Aircraft/Stories/sr-71-blac...

Re: Your Job used to impress people. That era just ended

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I read a bit of this and sort of just glazed over The fact is that people have never been that impressed by job titles, at least not in my lifetime No one's ever been like "oh wow you're a software engineer? That's so incredible" Mostly if they're impressed, it's because it pays well and they assume I'm pretty rich I'm not. I do really well compared to my peers, yes, but ultimately I'm still living the same kind of m…

Working in software doesn't confer social status and never has. Money, maybe, but not status. Lawyers' wages are badly depressed, supposedly, yet "I'm a lawyer" instantly confers better social status than "I'm a software developer" or even "I work at Google". Doctor, professor, those are jobs that come with a little or large bump in social status. "I'm a software developer" is like "I'm an accountant"—neutral at best…

I'm a "computer scientist" does a bit better than "software engineer" if you want to sound smarter. The distinction doesn't matter for most people.

Re: Your Job used to impress people. That era just ended

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is about how the entire paradigm may flip- software engineer is a low class person, locksmiths and fabricators are the new software engineers.

My point is there's a difference between "economic class" and "social class" Software Engineers are still, pretty generally, viewed as a low social class despite being a pretty solid economic class The idea that the paradigm may flip is only really about economic class. A locksmith may make more money than software engineers soon, but they will still be low social class That likely won't change

PSA: Kids, become a doctor not a lawyer, dentist, or an engineer. If you want to be rich, become a real estate broker. If you hate socializing, become an anesthesiologist or a perfusionist.

Re: Your Job used to impress people. That era just ended

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I read a bit of this and sort of just glazed over The fact is that people have never been that impressed by job titles, at least not in my lifetime No one's ever been like "oh wow you're a software engineer? That's so incredible" Mostly if they're impressed, it's because it pays well and they assume I'm pretty rich I'm not. I do really well compared to my peers, yes, but ultimately I'm still living the same kind of m…

There was definitely a time when saying that you worked at Google as an engineer confered massive social status. That's the whole reason why the movie The Internship exists!
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