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"AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

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Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

#31

No it’s a realistic possibility. Not just marketing. It may not replace us and it also may. Given the progress of the last decade in AI it’s not far off to say that we will come up with something in the next decade. I hope nothing will come but it’s unrealistic to say something definitively will not replace us.

You can’t project trends out endlessly. If you could, FB would have 20B users right now based on early growth (just a random guess, you get the point). The planet would have 15B people on it based on growth rate up until the 90s. Google would be bigger than the world GDP. Etc.

One of the more bullish AI people has said the models performance scales with log of compute (Sam Altman). Do you know how hard it will be to move that number? We are already well into diminishing returns with current methodologies and there is no one pointing the way to a break through that will get us to expert level performance. RLHF is underinvested in currently but will likely be the path to get us from Junior contributor to Mid in specific domains, but that still leaves a lot of room for humanity.

The most likely reason for my PoV to be wrong is that AI labs are investing a lot of training time into programming, hoping the model can self improve. I’m willing to believe that will have some payoffs in terms of cheaper, faster models and perhaps some improvements in scaling for RLHF (a huge priority for research IMO). Unsupervised RL would also be interesting, albeit with alignment concerns.

What I find unlikely with current models is that they will show truly innovative thinking, as opposed to the remixed ideas presented as “intelligence” today.

Finally, I am absolutely convinced today’s AI is already powerful enough to affect every business on the planet (yes even the plumbers). I just don’t believe they will replace us wholesale.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

#33

What could stop AI from doing all jobs?

Sometimes the involvement or effort from an actual human is part of the perceived value / willingness of the customer to pay.

- People will pay more to go to a concert performed by live human musicians than they would to listen to a recording or to go see an artificial performer (e.g. chuck e cheese?)

- A "handmade" product, or a "made in house" dish is valued above a mass-production or factory-frozen meal

- A therapist, doctor etc may be valued partly for their bedside manner or ability for form genuine rapport with a patient

- Even in AI _defining and measuring value_ ultimately comes from people. E.g. we wouldn't have the LLMs we do if there hadn't been teams of humans providing input to the RL.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

#34
I will likely be leaving tech bc of business execs getting horny and skeeting all over each other at the cost savings they perceive.

The flip side is that now I am using AI for my own entrepreneurial endeavors. Then I get to be the business exec, except my employees will be AI workflows.

And I never have to deal with a business exec every again.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

#35
I'll create more work no less. I have a client with zero programming experience who is shipping slope UIs and then asking me to fix them. I barely have time as it is for all the low-quality work I have to fix that he sends me daily.

With AI, companies will ship more features, but their competitors will too. This will likely result in a net-zero gain, similar to the current situation.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

#37
The problem with “AI will replace all jobs” hype, is that it also comes with a flavor of “and we all will do creative work”, while in reality AI replaces all the creative work and people go back to collecting garbage or other physically demanding and mundane jobs.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

#38

I rarely hear people talk about the fact that demand for new software will increase exponentially as cost to produce software crash. The ratios of devs_per_1k_lines_of_code_in_2022:devs_per_1k_lines_of_code_in_2028 and increase_in_demand:decrease_in_cost are unknown. But what if 1 dev could produce 300% more code, reducing eng cost (assuming same cost per hour per dev) to 1/3 of historical norms. Would that result in…

Why is more code any kind of value to anyone?

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

#39
"Jobs" aren't people, but these headlines are making that emotional appeal for engagement. AI will transform work like many technologies of the past and most people will be doing different things or the same things differently in a few years. Just like computers or mobile phones.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

#40

What if it just makes most jobs worse, or replaces good jobs with more, worse jobs? "Meat robot constantly monitored and directed by AI overlords" is technically a job.

> What if it just makes most jobs worse, or replaces good jobs with more, worse jobs?

Right. Consider:

1) Senior engineer writing code

vs.

2) Senior engineer prompting and code reviewing LLM agent

The senior engineer is essential to the process in each case, because the LLM agent left to its own devices will produce nonfunctional crap. But think about the pleasantness of the job and the job satisfaction of the senior engineer? Speaking just for myself, I'd rather quit the industry than spend my career babysitting nonhuman A.I. That's not what I signed up for.

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