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KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by jollyllama »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #28
jollyllama wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because, relatively speaking, it solves the distribution problem. Distributing to your set of servers is easier than distributing to the set of desktops.

Which also goes to show how backwards Linux package distribution is at this point. If you’re a small company, you can either build a web app which works everywhere; or you can deal with a distribution pushing out a buggy 3-year-old release against your will, with users harassing you about bugs. Packaging on Linux for normal desktop apps was dead on arrival. It was never viable except for niche open source apps. The r…

Sure, but this isn't particular to Linux. On what platform is it better? In terms of developer experience, web apps just beat distributing to the end-user device every time.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by liotier »

rhabarba wrote: post #7
Pet_Ant wrote: post #2

It's not relevant now, but back when I started using Linux (Red Hat 7.1 I think) what made me choose KDE was that with KDE all the apps had a conspicuous 'K' in their names whereas Gnome app did not, so it was easier to get a consistent user experience. After that it was Konqueror with the different protocols like "wk:" in the address bar to search Wikipedia. Then when I learned more, it just seemed like Qt was a muc…

> everything is now a webapp When, why and how became this a good thing?

>> everything is now a webapp

> When, why and how became this a good thing?

Cheap instant all-terrain deployment trumps most other considerations, especially where technical onboarding is on the critical path to customer acquisition.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #19
rhabarba wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everything is now a webapp When, why and how became this a good thing?

When? When the majority of SW dev work became synonymous with web dev. Why? Because that's what web devs are comfortable with. How became this a good thing? When web apps became the easiest way to deploy cross platform.

Also the native UX kits all suck and have done so forever. There i said it.

There’s a reason KDE looks better, has better consistency across apps, does theming at the os level better etc. Html/javascript/css for your native app frontend is actually quite reasonable.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by beeflet »

freeone3000 wrote: post #4
alyandon wrote: post #3

This really just blows my mind that Microsoft believes people are going to throw their perfectly functional laptops/desktops into the trash. All Microsoft has to do to keep people on Windows and in the Microsoft ecosystem would be to offer a supported version of Windows 11 without the CPU and TPM 2.0 requirements. For me, every one of the older machines in my household (laptops and desktops) that are currently on Win…

This is, in fact, the point. They do not want the support burden and negative security posture of supporting billions of computers that cannot have a locked bootloader.

Linux has no problem supporting pretty much every PC hardware ever made, any filesystem, etc. So while it might reduce their costs, they are hedging customers every generation

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

jollyllama wrote: post #31
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which also goes to show how backwards Linux package distribution is at this point. If you’re a small company, you can either build a web app which works everywhere; or you can deal with a distribution pushing out a buggy 3-year-old release against your will, with users harassing you about bugs. Packaging on Linux for normal desktop apps was dead on arrival. It was never viable except for niche open source apps. The r…

Sure, but this isn't particular to Linux. On what platform is it better? In terms of developer experience, web apps just beat distributing to the end-user device every time.

Every other platform.

Windows, Mac? Bundle your own updater. Or use Steam. Download one file and run with a click.

PlayStation? Nintendo? Submit it, wait about two weeks, and out it goes.

The Linux desktop is single handedly the worst distribution platform for an app developer, both in fragmentation and being unable to update your own software. The Linux desktop also had the arrogance to claim developers should do it their preferred way; and to harass devs for using tools like Flatpak. Then they wonder and complain and can’t understand why devs refuse to make Linux versions even for cross-platform frameworks.

The idea that someone like Adobe should make a package for each distribution, and negotiate with each distribution if they are sending out some ancient version of Acrobat, was a stupid power-trip philosophy on day one with none of the clout required. Even Apple doesn’t reserve the right to stonewall releases purely because of version numbers.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by liotier »

neepi wrote: post #29

Tried this with my mother. I had to rebuild the machine with Windows 11 LTSC afterwards. Which she hates but less than Linux which was totally unusable for her. YMMV but this isn't a real option for a lot of people.

My 87 years-old dad has no idea what OS he runs and migrating a laptop to KDE gave him a stable system with none of the confusing commercial offers, uncontrolled upgrades and forced account creations.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

blyry wrote: post #27

Plasma on Ubuntu is the what windows 7 could've been. It's been my daily for a couple years now, with jetbrains tooling and vscode. The only reason I boot back into windows is if I have to work on a .net framework app with visual studio. And Ubuntu is even explicitly supported by dell and Lenovo? It's a no brainer tbh. I'm lucky that my corporate IT is cool with it: I showed them how it supports drive encryption, can…

I've been pleasantly surprised at how far I can go using Rider to do .NET development on a Mac. I was able to do pretty much everything, including running SQL Server in a container.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by sp0rk »

RedShift1 wrote: post #23
alyandon wrote: post #3

This really just blows my mind that Microsoft believes people are going to throw their perfectly functional laptops/desktops into the trash. All Microsoft has to do to keep people on Windows and in the Microsoft ecosystem would be to offer a supported version of Windows 11 without the CPU and TPM 2.0 requirements. For me, every one of the older machines in my household (laptops and desktops) that are currently on Win…

Tbf it was the same story when Windows XP went EoL and by now almost all of those have been replaced. So what's most likely is that Windows 10 will stick around for some time until it silently fades away, just like XP did, regardless of CPU/TPM shenanigans.

As somebody that was using Windows XP up to its EoL, I am fairly certain I was in the minority (at least amongst home users.) I don't think anybody I knew was using XP by the time its end came. The only reason I was still on it at the time was a complete lack of income which meant using very old hand-me-down hardware.

The situation with Windows 10 feels quite different, because most people I know that use Windows are on Windows 10 currently.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by neepi »

liotier wrote: post #37
neepi wrote: post #29

Tried this with my mother. I had to rebuild the machine with Windows 11 LTSC afterwards. Which she hates but less than Linux which was totally unusable for her. YMMV but this isn't a real option for a lot of people.

My 87 years-old dad has no idea what OS he runs and migrating a laptop to KDE gave him a stable system with none of the confusing commercial offers, uncontrolled upgrades and forced account creations.

That would have been my post on here exactly two days before I was rebuilding it with Windows 11 LTSC...
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