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Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

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Re: Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

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Post by fennecfoxy »

frereubu wrote: post #29
fennecfoxy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's literally anything & everything, though. Making there no point to having that rule when submissions are thus judged by the special "majority opinion" club.

"Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

TV news varies between countries. A piece about a new Wes Anderson movie is TV news, at least in many countries where the news isn't drivel.

Re: Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

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Post by mdp2021 »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #22
frereubu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity."

That's literally anything & everything, though. Making there no point to having that rule when submissions are thus judged by the special "majority opinion" club.

Not discarding preemptively what can be interesting is probably a good thing.

Re: Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

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Post by mda »

keiferski wrote: post #28
ofalkaed wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>His films are the same thing repeated in different circumstances with different characters. I am not sure what you mean, Asteroid City with its complex structure utilizing metafiction to explore things mostly removed from the characters and the story does not have much in common with The Royal Tenenbaums other than aesthetic with its fairly simple and direct use of character to explore the individual and family. Do…

When you go see an Anderson film, you have a pretty solid idea of what you’re going to get. The mood, character development, cinematography, quirkiness, and pretty much everything else is largely the same across his films. I think this is obvious (?) to most people. Yes, there are individual differences between films, but I don’t think my opinion is an uncommon one. There are more genres than action and superhero. A…

Just to add to your sentiment, I agree with you. The setup of his films became so similar to each other in many ways, same quirky (slightly insane) characters, same pastel colors, same textures. All subjective of course, but I found his later movies soulless and hard to watch.

Re: Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

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Post by ofalkaed »

keiferski wrote: post #28
ofalkaed wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>His films are the same thing repeated in different circumstances with different characters. I am not sure what you mean, Asteroid City with its complex structure utilizing metafiction to explore things mostly removed from the characters and the story does not have much in common with The Royal Tenenbaums other than aesthetic with its fairly simple and direct use of character to explore the individual and family. Do…

When you go see an Anderson film, you have a pretty solid idea of what you’re going to get. The mood, character development, cinematography, quirkiness, and pretty much everything else is largely the same across his films. I think this is obvious (?) to most people. Yes, there are individual differences between films, but I don’t think my opinion is an uncommon one. There are more genres than action and superhero. A…

>The mood, character development, cinematography, quirkiness

Other than character development those are all part of the aesthetic and in his last two he mostly extended that aesthetic directly to the characters, dropped the essentially realistic relatable characters and turned them into caricatures who don't really develop; devices of the story and theme instead of what drives the story and develops theme. I would say he was doing things uncomfortable for him with The French Dispatch, which is why he did not quite pull off the meta aspect. I think his interests are in improving on story and narrative and exploring what can be done with them within the medium and his aesthetic is a means to those ends, a way to push things out of the normal perspectives and give him more room to do things like make highly metafictional films without going all out experimental.

I am perfectly aware there are other genres.

Re: Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

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Post by mdp2021 »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #31
frereubu wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

TV news varies between countries. A piece about a new Wes Anderson movie is TV news, at least in many countries where the news isn't drivel.

"strongest plausible interpretation"

The "TV News" reference must mean "somehow inconsequential events". The piece about the movie will be part of the "cultural" section in the news.

You have to duly try taking expressions for what they seem to have meant to mean.

Re: Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

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Post by lou1306 »

ofalkaed wrote: post #26
keiferski wrote: post #19

I am looking forward to seeing this, as while I really enjoy the aesthetic of Anderson, I increasingly wish someone would push him out of his comfort zone. His films are the same thing repeated in different circumstances with different characters. Maybe he isn’t interested in doing anything other than what he’s doing, and at some level that’s all the justification he needs. He doesn’t owe anyone anything. But I do th…

>His films are the same thing repeated in different circumstances with different characters. I am not sure what you mean, Asteroid City with its complex structure utilizing metafiction to explore things mostly removed from the characters and the story does not have much in common with The Royal Tenenbaums other than aesthetic with its fairly simple and direct use of character to explore the individual and family. Do…

Haven't seen Asteroid City, but metafiction and exploration of side-plots removed from the characters are absolutely present in Tenenbaums (presented as a book with chapters) and Grand Budapest Hotel. I guess to a lesser degree.

Sure, most people trivialise his "quirkiness" in annoying ways (there is depth and poetry in some of his movies that go beyond eye-pleasing symmetry) but the guy could take a risk or two, artistically speaking. His Fantastic Mr Fox was charming, and switching to animation is not at all easy for a live-action director!

Re: Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

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Post by apwell23 »

ofalkaed wrote: post #26
keiferski wrote: post #19

I am looking forward to seeing this, as while I really enjoy the aesthetic of Anderson, I increasingly wish someone would push him out of his comfort zone. His films are the same thing repeated in different circumstances with different characters. Maybe he isn’t interested in doing anything other than what he’s doing, and at some level that’s all the justification he needs. He doesn’t owe anyone anything. But I do th…

>His films are the same thing repeated in different circumstances with different characters. I am not sure what you mean, Asteroid City with its complex structure utilizing metafiction to explore things mostly removed from the characters and the story does not have much in common with The Royal Tenenbaums other than aesthetic with its fairly simple and direct use of character to explore the individual and family. Do…

Honest Trailers - Every Wes Anderson Movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trWLY6NrS2Q

Re: Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

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Post by xg15 »

> ensemble cast

This being a Wes Anderson film, I expect at the very least an introductory chapter heading and title card for each character.

They might or might not have argued for two months about the individual fonts to pick for each card, before eventually settling on hiring a font designer (one per character).

Re: Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

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Post by myth_drannon »

keiferski wrote: post #28
ofalkaed wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>His films are the same thing repeated in different circumstances with different characters. I am not sure what you mean, Asteroid City with its complex structure utilizing metafiction to explore things mostly removed from the characters and the story does not have much in common with The Royal Tenenbaums other than aesthetic with its fairly simple and direct use of character to explore the individual and family. Do…

When you go see an Anderson film, you have a pretty solid idea of what you’re going to get. The mood, character development, cinematography, quirkiness, and pretty much everything else is largely the same across his films. I think this is obvious (?) to most people. Yes, there are individual differences between films, but I don’t think my opinion is an uncommon one. There are more genres than action and superhero. A…

Same for Nolan's movies.

Re: Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

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Post by ofalkaed »

lou1306 wrote: post #36
ofalkaed wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>His films are the same thing repeated in different circumstances with different characters. I am not sure what you mean, Asteroid City with its complex structure utilizing metafiction to explore things mostly removed from the characters and the story does not have much in common with The Royal Tenenbaums other than aesthetic with its fairly simple and direct use of character to explore the individual and family. Do…

Haven't seen Asteroid City, but metafiction and exploration of side-plots removed from the characters are absolutely present in Tenenbaums (presented as a book with chapters) and Grand Budapest Hotel. I guess to a lesser degree. Sure, most people trivialise his "quirkiness" in annoying ways (there is depth and poetry in some of his movies that go beyond eye-pleasing symmetry) but the guy could take a risk or two, art…

Before The French Dispatch his use of meta was just a side effect of the style, it broke the fourth wall which you can call meta but it is sort of meaningless if all it does is break the forth wall. In the French Dispatch and Asteroid City he develops it and uses it towards theme, we can not fully understand them without taking in account the meta.
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