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'Strange metals' point to a whole new way to understand electricity

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Re: 'Strange metals' point to a whole new way to understand electricity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm reading Wikipedia correctly, the formula is quadratic for some metals, and cubic or quintuplic(?) for others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_con...

You would normally just say "5th degree" or "5th power".

But the specific word they were looking for is "quintic". (And the corresponding word for 4th-degree, in case anyone is curious, is "quartic"; one sometimes sees "biquadratic", which unfortunately is also sometimes used to describe a particular subset of quartics.)

Re: 'Strange metals' point to a whole new way to understand electricity

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so electrons are just like photons being a wave/particle? The article seems to suggest in strange metals their particle properties are absent and only 'electron field' gradients move, like if electrons exhanged their 'charge'.

Not just like photons. For one thing, they can travel slower than light. But many experiments on photons can also be done on electrons, such as diffraction. You can perform a double-slit experiment with electrons. Also, they're fermions, but photons are bosons.

Re: 'Strange metals' point to a whole new way to understand electricity

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would normally just say "5th degree" or "5th power".

But the specific word they were looking for is "quintic". (And the corresponding word for 4th-degree, in case anyone is curious, is "quartic"; one sometimes sees "biquadratic", which unfortunately is also sometimes used to describe a particular subset of quartics.)

Oh right, silly me. Wow, my own vocabulary deserted me there, huh?

Yeah I think generally "sextic" is the highest you see before people stop doing that, and that one's somewhat uncommon I'd say. ("Quintic" is actually fairly common, contrary to what I said earlier, oops.) The fact that seventh-degree would be "septic" might be one reason stop with the words at that point!

Re: 'Strange metals' point to a whole new way to understand electricity

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Why don't photons have a position operator?

Think of it like this: From the perspective of the photon, it lives and dies in the same instant. Even if it traveled across the entire universe. Since it lives and dies in the same instant, it can't have a position—because the moment it exists and the moment it doesn't is exactly the same time. It takes time—even for light—to get from point A to point B. However, the measurement of any positions—relative to the phot…

> > > Mathematically a photon is defined as a state of the EM field (which has been quantised into a set of harmonic oscillators called "normal modes") in which there is exactly one quantum of excitation of a specific normal mode (with given wavevector and frequency). Depending on which kind of modes you consider, a photon could be a gaussian beam, or even a plane wave, so not something localised like you would say of a particle.

> Think of it like this: From the perspective of the photon, it lives and dies in the same instant. Even if it traveled across the entire universe.

Would an appropriate analogy be a "glider" from Conway's Game of Life? "Lives and dies in the same instant" isn't exactly the same, but I'm thinking of how no parts of the glider move while the glider as a whole "moves" across the board.

Re: 'Strange metals' point to a whole new way to understand electricity

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After reading this all I can think of is Newton's cradle.

Electron goes into one side, another electron shoot out from the other side.

It didn't went through, but acting like one. "quasi" particle maybe?

I have no idea what's going on, correct me if I am wrong

Re: 'Strange metals' point to a whole new way to understand electricity

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So superconductivity is a laminar flow of electron goop? Ok, it's different in that liquid flows through pipes and electrons flow through crystal lattices or whatever, so electrons go between and around the material while liquid is bounded by it. It makes me speculate that electron flow through a metal is sort of like liquid flowing through a compressible boundary tube, whereas flow through a non-metal has rigid wall…

TL;DR: the analogy is helpful at a high level, but has limitations when you look closely.

> Ok, it's different in that liquid flows through pipes and electrons flow through crystal lattices or whatever, so electrons go between and around the material while liquid is bounded by it.

This is not perfect, but it works at a high level.

The main difference with e.g. water flows is that what restricts electron flux is traps. Electrons are not limited by walls that prevents them from going outside channels, instead they are held in place by atoms’ nuclei.

In a conductor, the “force” holding them is effectively zero, so when an electron comes in on one side, another one comes out of the other.

In a semiconductor. An electron needs some energy to get out of its trap before it can move. Then, “freed” electrons hop from trap to trap and the current is the overall effect of this. Electrons do not have to move far to create a current, there just needs to be enough of them. There is no real macroscopic analogy for this.

In an insulator, electrons just don’t get out of their traps because the energy required is too large.

This ignores a lot of details and quantum effects, but it is still a useful way to think about this.

> It makes me speculate that electron flow through a metal is sort of like liquid flowing through a compressible boundary tube, whereas flow through a non-metal has rigid walls.

Not really. Electrons moving in a metal are slowed down by a lot of different phenomena but this cannot really be considered as a compressible fluid. The effect is more similar to viscosity than compressibility.

In non-metals, electrons just don’t move unless they are made available, for example by doping or with a source of energy.

> Non-metals reject the electrons, metals allow them to play Spiderman and hitch a temporary ride

The general model is that metals let electrons flow and non-metals hold on to them.

> If resistivity is determined by the equivalent of turbulence, though, I've no idea what the graph against temperature should be. Do electrons travel faster when there's less resistance?

The analogy kind of breaks down here. There are competing effects and conductivity as a function of time is often highly non-trivial. In general, the number of electrons available increases with temperature, but scattering by other electrons, vibrations and defects also increases. Overall, resistivity tends to increase with temperature in metals and decrease in semiconductors, but there are exceptions.

Re: 'Strange metals' point to a whole new way to understand electricity

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To sum it up:

“The violation of the standard theory of solids in these strange metals is so dramatic—it’s in your face,” says Qimiao Si, a physicist at Rice University who collaborates with Paschen.

“There’s no question there’s new physics.”

Re: 'Strange metals' point to a whole new way to understand electricity

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So superconductivity is a laminar flow of electron goop? Ok, it's different in that liquid flows through pipes and electrons flow through crystal lattices or whatever, so electrons go between and around the material while liquid is bounded by it. It makes me speculate that electron flow through a metal is sort of like liquid flowing through a compressible boundary tube, whereas flow through a non-metal has rigid wall…

AFAIK nothing stops an electron from existing in the same space as a proton or neutron - they don't have to go around. Indeed that's required for certain kinds of radioactive decay to occur. Not all electron orbitals overlap the nucleus, but some do.

Re: 'Strange metals' point to a whole new way to understand electricity

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> A regular particle isn't really emergent, it corresponds 1:1 to the excitation of the field Maybe 'emergent' was the wrong word here. I meant that particles are convenient ways of describing behavior of the fields in many (but not all) cases, with the fields themselves considered to be the (more) fundamental description of reality.

Eh, in the wave-particle duality wars you may have been swayed a bit too strongly into the wave camp. Quantization exists and isn't just a convenience.

Quantization exists because of the waves though. It's a consequence of standing waves being produced when an excitation is confined. It's not AFAIK an axiom of QFT, more an emergent result.
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