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KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by donkeybeer »

righthand wrote: post #27
hxorr wrote: post #23

I hope they can come up with a solution integrated into KDE where you can have apps running on a VM but appearing as a native Kwin window... Would probably need a helper daemon running on guest OS. I know a similar thing has been done before but would be great to have upstream support from a major DE

You could maybe do something easier with debboostrap and chroot mounting without needing to waste resources on vm management.

I am not certain if this was the implication but Vms may not be just abot linux guests

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by unixhero »

righthand wrote: post #27
hxorr wrote: post #23

I hope they can come up with a solution integrated into KDE where you can have apps running on a VM but appearing as a native Kwin window... Would probably need a helper daemon running on guest OS. I know a similar thing has been done before but would be great to have upstream support from a major DE

You could maybe do something easier with debboostrap and chroot mounting without needing to waste resources on vm management.

Complete isolation = virtual machine

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

Narishma wrote: post #24
LeFantome wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was better up until about version 3. Then KDE got worse and Windows got better. I think KDE is back in top again.

KDE 4 was the bad one, not 3.

In fact, it was so unpopular that it inspired a fork of KDE 3: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/

(IMHO, later versions of KDE got good, but even today I understand the appeal of just sticking to the same thing)

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by hxorr »

donkeybeer wrote: post #31
righthand wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could maybe do something easier with debboostrap and chroot mounting without needing to waste resources on vm management.

I am not certain if this was the implication but Vms may not be just abot linux guests

Yeah - I just want to be able to run Office in my Linux desktop - I don't care if the windows VM instance takes an extra 8gb ram, I just want it to work seamlessly

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by wormius »

cwbriscoe wrote: post #25
bdbenton5255 wrote: post #17

I use Arch and love KDE Plasma. It even has a blue light filter. Am never going back to Windows. KDE runs faster, looks nicer, does not have forced adware and telemetry. Great daily driver.

I have been playing with Cachy and Plasma in a VM and I am probably going to install that on my next PC build that I am planning. I am currently dual booting Ubuntu and Windows. I haven't logged into windows in over 6 months so I probably won't even setup dual boot with my next machine.

Using Cachy after testing some distros. I tried Nobara but it was too limited. Before this I've used Debian based distros (ubuntu, debian), Redhat/RPM (Redhat, Mandrake, OpenSuSe) and even Gentoo.

So far I really like Cachy. It's been great for the bit of gaming I do. I had a bit of audio grief, but installing a different kernel seemed to have fixed the issue. Overall I'm pretty damn happy with it. It was much easier than default Arch. I tried Endeavour and though it was nice, there was something about it I didn't quite like (I don't recall what). I'm off Windows entirely - between shoving their AI stuff and Ads everywhere, after decades of off and on use, Linux is my forever home.

And yeah, KDE is pretty nice and solid now.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by alexey-salmin »

Narishma wrote: post #24
LeFantome wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was better up until about version 3. Then KDE got worse and Windows got better. I think KDE is back in top again.

KDE 4 was the bad one, not 3.

Never understood that part really. I was using KDE 4 since 3.97rc2 (which wasn't easy to install and still had some glitches) and absolutely loved it.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by mhitza »

LiamPowell wrote: post #30
mhitza wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the current solutions support this. Only if you fallback to X11 forwarding, but then it's not going to be seamless because it requires setup on guests. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, this was my conclusion last year when researching again this space (since we're talking about virtualization support, thanks again RedHat for deprecating SPICE /s). I've read that it's possible in Windows' RDP, but haven't f…

> I've read that it's possible in Windows' RDP, but haven't found a Linux client/server setup that supports that. FreeRDP has supported this for over 10 years as a client. I don't know about non-windows servers: https://files.catbox.moe/roso8c.png It's also significantly more responsive than any libvirt framebuffer.

> It's also significantly more responsive than any libvirt framebuffer.

I was pretty bullish on SPICE last year, with hardware acceleration enabled it was great. Not game streaming software latencies, but the seamless host-guest VM integration and usb/smart card redirection where features that I really desired for my workflows.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by nicman23 »

hxorr wrote: post #35
donkeybeer wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not certain if this was the implication but Vms may not be just abot linux guests

Yeah - I just want to be able to run Office in my Linux desktop - I don't care if the windows VM instance takes an extra 8gb ram, I just want it to work seamlessly

microsoft has a monetary incentive to never allow that. although you can do something like that with rdp in xorg

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by bornfreddy »

alexey-salmin wrote: post #37
Narishma wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDE 4 was the bad one, not 3.

Never understood that part really. I was using KDE 4 since 3.97rc2 (which wasn't easy to install and still had some glitches) and absolutely loved it.

Really? Interesting. I loved KDE3, but hated KDE4 so much (slow, unintuitive UI, bugs) that I haven't looked at it since, preferring Xfce instead. I guess I could give it a spin again...
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