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Japan's IC cards are weird and wonderful

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Re: Japan's IC cards are weird and wonderful

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I'm currently on a japan train - using a suica card is essentially instantaneous. if the cards are declined for any reason the gates swing shut immediately, if that's what you're asking.

I don’t see how that’s any different to the underground

It's the complete opposite. Tokyo stations have open gates that swing shut on fail. London stations have closed gates that swing open on success.

Re: Japan's IC cards are weird and wonderful

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I could use my European smartphone (well, smartwatch) as an IC card in Japan. I don't think it was slower.

If you're alluding to an Apple watch, it has Felica support wherever you buy it. PS: For anyone in doubt https://atadistance.net/2017/09/12/iphone-x-keynote-global-f...

It also works on iPhone, with built in wallet support for Suica.

Re: Japan's IC cards are weird and wonderful

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I love IC cards. They had them on all transport where I live, but a few years ago they changed to QR codes.. Now it's a fiddle with an app, then try to get the right angle on a smudgy reader. Getting onboard takes much longer and it feels like technology sent us 2 steps back instead of forward. IC cards are better, and if they could be integrated in the phone then it would be even better and faster for everyone.

Would printing out the QR code and putting it into your wallet work or is it a changing one?

I think the most annoying part is the external QR reader (on faregates?). I've rarely had a good experience with those whether using a QR on paper or from a phone screen.

Re: Japan's IC cards are weird and wonderful

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Unfortunately transit operators are looking to discontinue the use of these IC cards in favour of QR codes as part of a cost saving strategy: https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20241015/p2a/00m/0bu/01...

That article doesn't say they are. >It will continue to accept national IC cards such as Suica and Icoca

There are several operators mentioned in the article. One is possibly switching entirely to QR because renewing the IC contract is too expensive.

Some are cutting back to just Suica and Icoca. Some are switching to, or using from the start, tap-and-pay (Visa, EMV, etc.).

Re: Japan's IC cards are weird and wonderful

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Long-time Japan resident here. The IC cards do work quickly and smoothly, but the retail payment system overall is a mess because different stores accept different combinations of dozens of electronic payment brands. When shopping, I prefer to use the Suica app in my iPhone as it’s just a quick touch, but some stores won’t accept it so I have to use the Nanaco app—which requires a face recognition step—or pay in cash…

> but the retail payment system overall is a mess because different stores accept different combinations of dozens of electronic payment brands.

This is a fun thing to keep in mind when people tell you Japan is a "homogenous society".

(It's not high-trust either.)

Re: Japan's IC cards are weird and wonderful

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm currently on a japan train - using a suica card is essentially instantaneous. if the cards are declined for any reason the gates swing shut immediately, if that's what you're asking.

I don’t see how that’s any different to the underground

In japan it's optimized for speed thanks to the IC working so fast so you are only slowed down if something fails. It rarely fails (if you're not a tourist...) so you see people walking through them pretty quickly and I have seen people run into each other because they assumed the next person was gonna go through.

Re: Japan's IC cards are weird and wonderful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see how that’s any different to the underground

It's the complete opposite. Tokyo stations have open gates that swing shut on fail. London stations have closed gates that swing open on success.

Also, Tokyo trains have air conditioning, whereas the Underground is so hot and stuffy I'm pretty sure I got brain damage from it.

Also^2, Japanese train stations have ads for B2B services, whereas almost every ad in London stations is for a musical. I'm not sure what this means.

(Also fondly remember the surprisingly numerous signs at Kings Cross about how you shouldn't assault any train employees, and how teenagers weren't allowed to buy matcha drinks because they have too much caffeine.)

Re: Japan's IC cards are weird and wonderful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see how that’s any different to the underground

It's the complete opposite. Tokyo stations have open gates that swing shut on fail. London stations have closed gates that swing open on success.

At busy times underground gates don’t close, until someone scans the wrong card (which leads to them walking into the barrier and then the person behind walking in, then the barrier opening from the person behinds card and general chaos)

And faster throughput would just increase that.

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