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Is MySQL becoming less open source? Test cases go internal now

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Re: Is MySQL becoming less open source? Test cases go internal now

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So, time for LibreSQL?

MariaDB is the free (GPL) branch (actually more of a fork at this point) created by Monty, the primary original author of MySQL.

Not an expert here: Will all those PHP projects in the wild work with MariaDB? Everytime a friend needs a blog or wiki I have to make sure MySQL is installed because it seems few people who make PHP projects allow other backends.

I'd love to apt-get purge mysql-server from my servers.

Re: Is MySQL becoming less open source? Test cases go internal now

#32

This is a MySQL discussion, but I think it's worth it to say what two things I think keep Postgres from becoming the viable worldwide use-by-default contender that MySQL became: 1. Branding. First and foremost. MySQL had great documentation, an identifiable logo, and a wonderful name that every non-technical person could remember and identify. Postgresql is just, well, it's a horrible nightmare of a name. People woul…

Let's keep this on topic: in what specific ways has postgresql been more open, and how does that lead to a better developer community and greater value for users?

I happen to think the postgres docs are great, and they are open and free unlike the MySQL docs. I have tried following one MySQL doc, only to see it change later and have no way to see the old version. Not a problem for postgres.

If you have some suggestions for the docs please submit them to the docs mailing list.

Postgres also has 15+ years of history in git, which is extremely helpful.

Honestly, I don't know where to start. Postgres is an open community project to the core and benefits from that in so many ways.

Re: Is MySQL becoming less open source? Test cases go internal now

#33
post #25

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Is anyone actually using MariaDB in production at a reasonable scale? Our DBAs tried to convince us to switch from MySQL to Maria a few months ago. All of the devs on my team looked around and couldn't find any testimonials, use-cases or benchmarks that weren't done by someone on the Maria dev team. I realize Monty is behind it but I don't really feel like being an early adopter based on fear that some day Oracle mig…

I use MariaDB on all of my websites these days, the largest of which tops out at around 5K queries a second. The biggest draw for me was the XtraDB engine (which is also found in Percona Server) which is a replacement for InnoDB. XtraDB performs much better on SSDs and I was able to get over 50% performance gains on some queries with the default settings. This may or may not be applicable to your specific environment…

To be clear, XtraDB is solely developed by Percona. MariaDB has nicely included it, not the other way around.

Re: Is MySQL becoming less open source? Test cases go internal now

#35
post #2

So basically, the Java strategy. Killing the alternatives through creating compatibility uncertainty. Oh, man. This doesn't bode well. I hope this drives developers towards using and improving Postgres, but, well, who knows. One can dream! More likely is that it may drive people towards Percona, which I have on good word is a solid professional MySQL branch...or, like Java, people will just stick with the brand. :/ E…

I would think one would need to look no further than the Oracle/Google lawsuit and its outcome with respect to Java to see how Oracle will move forward with MySQL.

Java has been greatly improved since Oracle took over the helm. Major improvements to the JVM, an exciting yet stable roadmap, better platform support (in particular on OSX) and a lot more confidence about its future.

Oracle has been nothing but a huge positive for the Java platform.

Re: Is MySQL becoming less open source? Test cases go internal now

#36
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MariaDB is the free (GPL) branch (actually more of a fork at this point) created by Monty, the primary original author of MySQL.

Is anyone actually using MariaDB in production at a reasonable scale? Our DBAs tried to convince us to switch from MySQL to Maria a few months ago. All of the devs on my team looked around and couldn't find any testimonials, use-cases or benchmarks that weren't done by someone on the Maria dev team. I realize Monty is behind it but I don't really feel like being an early adopter based on fear that some day Oracle mig…

http://drupal.org/node/861192 comment #4 - used for Drupal's test cluster

http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-case-studies/ (including Limelight networks)

Switching in early 2010 would have made you an early adopter.

My sense is that most sites use Percona Server instead of MariaDB, because Percona and xtradb (mods to innodb) have been around longer, and those changes are generally a subset of the changes MariaDB incorporates.

Re: Is MySQL becoming less open source? Test cases go internal now

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I would think one would need to look no further than the Oracle/Google lawsuit and its outcome with respect to Java to see how Oracle will move forward with MySQL.

Java has been greatly improved since Oracle took over the helm. Major improvements to the JVM, an exciting yet stable roadmap, better platform support (in particular on OSX) and a lot more confidence about its future. Oracle has been nothing but a huge positive for the Java platform.

> Oracle has been nothing but a huge positive for the Java platform. For the OpenJDK Java implementation, definitely. For free and open alternatives? No, not at all.

Re: Is MySQL becoming less open source? Test cases go internal now

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would think one would need to look no further than the Oracle/Google lawsuit and its outcome with respect to Java to see how Oracle will move forward with MySQL.

Java has been greatly improved since Oracle took over the helm. Major improvements to the JVM, an exciting yet stable roadmap, better platform support (in particular on OSX) and a lot more confidence about its future. Oracle has been nothing but a huge positive for the Java platform.

While it has been positive indeed, I wouldn't say it "has been nothing but a huge positive".

The closing down (of the JCP, the lawsuits, etc) in particular has been a little worrisome.

Re: Is MySQL becoming less open source? Test cases go internal now

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Oracle might be popular, but few places can afford, or justify paying for it. MySQL is mostly popular because everyone was busy cargo culting based on what Facebook and YouTube were doing instead of evaluating the choices on their merits. Luckily most of those people have moved on to cargo culting NoSQL choices. If you want a solid open-source database, especially one that has a future, learn Postgres.

I love armchair experts. So I guess if all of those clueless engineers at the world's most trafficked websites would have just listened to you they would never have picked MySQL. Have you ever thought of letting them know that they should switch over to PostgreSQL ?

>I love armchair experts.

Speaking as a battle-scarred, proven old sage veteran of the DB wars? Because the opinions you state above don't really qualify you as that...

Re: Is MySQL becoming less open source? Test cases go internal now

#40
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use MariaDB on all of my websites these days, the largest of which tops out at around 5K queries a second. The biggest draw for me was the XtraDB engine (which is also found in Percona Server) which is a replacement for InnoDB. XtraDB performs much better on SSDs and I was able to get over 50% performance gains on some queries with the default settings. This may or may not be applicable to your specific environment…

To be clear, XtraDB is solely developed by Percona. MariaDB has nicely included it, not the other way around.

I was just pointing out that Percona Server is another MySQL drop-in replacement since the commenter seems to be asking about an enterprise environment which Percona Server is targeted more towards than MariaDB. You're right I should have clarified that XtraDB is a product of Percona.
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