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Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by austin-cheney »

ebisoka wrote: post #29

These sites are easy to figure out. Go to Main Page Scroll down to go to the "Code of Conduct" Search on "Reverse" Read "Our community prioritises marginalised people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. Moderators reserve the right not to act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia.’ or critiques of racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressiv…

Sigh. There is no such thing as reverse-isms.

For example discrimination based on race is racism, objectively. Creating a reverse-ism out of that subjectively singles out a particular identity to champion. An effective code of conduct would not mention such subjectivity in any form.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by chobeat »

ebisoka wrote: post #29

These sites are easy to figure out. Go to Main Page Scroll down to go to the "Code of Conduct" Search on "Reverse" Read "Our community prioritises marginalised people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. Moderators reserve the right not to act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia.’ or critiques of racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressiv…

bro, you posted cringe. This stuff was already edgy non-sense in 2016.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by aloisdg »

ebisoka wrote: post #29

These sites are easy to figure out. Go to Main Page Scroll down to go to the "Code of Conduct" Search on "Reverse" Read "Our community prioritises marginalised people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. Moderators reserve the right not to act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia.’ or critiques of racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressiv…

What a long way to say that you don't understand Karl Popper

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by chobeat »

snickerer wrote: post #6

I did not understand what this is about from the article. It is social and wants to empower people, but how? From reading the 'about' page I understood that this is a new social media platform in the Fediverse. Now there is obviously one question: why should I participate in this and not in the existing projects like Mastodon? Why did you split up? I suggest the Bonfire people should put the answer to that question o…

Why not participating in Mastodon? Because nobody really wanted a Twitter clone and the project is losing its momentum. Lemmy is 1000x better even if the total amount of users is less in absolute numbers.

Why using Bonfire? The first thing that comes up to me from the website is that this model of community-focused development seems more resilient to the wave of AI slop. A small Mastodon instance with 30-40 active people and limited federation would be useless. A Bonfire instance with the same people where you can work on community projects or scientific projects, sounds a lot more viable while keeping the shields up against the slop.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by chobeat »

aloisdg wrote: post #11
RadiozRadioz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Appears to be a fediverse social network like Mastodon, there's a demo on their homepage: https://bonfirenetworks.org/

but what kind? Microblogging, macroblogging, link aggregation, forum, imageboard etc.

there are plugins for all of this stuff and more: there are kanban boards, stuff for openscience (I think peer-review and the likes), some collaboration features etc etc

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by chobeat »

danpalmer wrote: post #12

I cannot figure out what Bonfire is . - The homepage has a bunch of "Bonfire is...", but they don't tell me much about how Bonfire achieves any of those goals like to be a "commons". - There's a codebase and documentation, but it comes in six different "flavours" , although I can only really differentiate between two. - Most of the FAQs just say "wip". - It proudly states that there are no ads, no tracking, etc, but…

It should be both: it's a toolkit with a lot of plugins already built-in to have some "flavours" out of the box.

I think it's like when they were saying "blockchain is a technology and bitcoin it's its first application" kind of thing.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by johnny22 »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #23
RamblingCTO wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isn't that out of sync with reality? If I have to maintain software and put in more hours but only get paid once, I have to grow and grow and grow to keep getting paid. I'm actually developing a screen recording app for macos that's gonna be paid once, but will only have updates for a year. You can use it until apple changes APIs and whatever, but otherwise it wouldn't be a sustainable business model for me. I th…

This was solved before subscriptions took over everything by having to pay for new major versions. You pay once and have a limited duration of updates, after that you stick with the current version or pay again for the upgrade. The benefit of doing it this way was that the user had a choice in upgrading which aligned incentives between users and developers. The developer had to deliver tangible improvements in order…

then there's no money for actual maintenance beyond that say a year.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by _Algernon_ »

johnny22 wrote: post #37
_Algernon_ wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was solved before subscriptions took over everything by having to pay for new major versions. You pay once and have a limited duration of updates, after that you stick with the current version or pay again for the upgrade. The benefit of doing it this way was that the user had a choice in upgrading which aligned incentives between users and developers. The developer had to deliver tangible improvements in order…

then there's no money for actual maintenance beyond that say a year.

Which is fine.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

antfarm wrote: post #24
danpalmer wrote: post #12

I cannot figure out what Bonfire is . - The homepage has a bunch of "Bonfire is...", but they don't tell me much about how Bonfire achieves any of those goals like to be a "commons". - There's a codebase and documentation, but it comes in six different "flavours" , although I can only really differentiate between two. - Most of the FAQs just say "wip". - It proudly states that there are no ads, no tracking, etc, but…

"Bonfire is an open-source framework for building federated digital spaces where people can gather, interact, and form communities online." https://docs.bonfirenetworks.org/readme.html Further down the page it says it is built in Elixir with Phoenix/LiveView and PostgreSQL.

A new federated protocol? or does this provide a different front end to an existing Federated system?

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by hackrmn »

It caught my attention big time. All up until the point the word "caracul" was linked to the Zapatista movement, literally -- as in, to the Wikipedia page on Zapatista -- which, in turn says:

> is a far-left political and militant group that controls a substantial amount of territory in Chiapas, the southernmost state of Mexico.[4][5][6][7]

I don't mean to preach political theory now, but as far as I can see we're already collectively pretty divided (divide and conquer comes to mind): for a project that seems to preach all manner of fairness and correction of a system gone wrong, and is arguably moderately anti-capitalist (in the sense of objecting some of the status-quo product of Silicon Valley's mode of operation), do we really need to be thrown all the way to the other end of the left-right scale? Is Bonfire arguing for the analogue of "militant revolution" of software?

Imagining the project now, I am envisioning green-clad militants writing "fair" software. While not without merit, in my opinion the explicit political associations detract from the intrinsic value something like Bonfire could have for us, who are indeed have never been more firmly under the boot of the commercial IT industry than now.

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