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Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's still far slower than a human being, and those bins are far too neat.

Slower than a human making one operation. Not slower than human stocking items for a whole day.

The tortoise and hare allegory? Slow and steady wins the race.

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post #4
post #2

Warehouses is definitely not where I expected robots with retractable blades to first appear. The demo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXco05eK28

That's still far slower than a human being, and those bins are far too neat.

It's not about throughput per unit, it's about throughput per unit of cost.

If five cheap robots outperform a single skilled worker, robots win. But depending on jurisdiction, those five robots might still lose to a dozen or so slaves kept near starvation. For the skilled worker it's bad news one way or the other.

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post #22

It's interesting how Amazon is embedding robots in human-designed warehouses whereas Ocado has humans overseeing a robotic warehouse. The later is a much easier problem.

Not sure why Ocado gets so much credit for the latter though, they just copied AutoStore which has a fascinating history! They purchased an AutoStore, then reverse engineered it, made a few changes, and claimed it as their own invention.

There was a big patent lawsuit related to this, which as I understand it Ocado won pretty comprehensively. (https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/ocado-wins-... -- case in UK court concluded that AutoStore's patents were all invalid and in any case Ocado didn't infringe them; there were a bunch of related cases in other jurisdictions but https://www.ocadogroup.com/media/news/autostore-and-ocado-se... indicates that shortly after the UK judgement they settled on terms very favourable to Ocado.)

This seems difficult to square with your claim that Ocado "just copied AutoStore". (I suppose it's not quite inconsistent with it; maybe Ocado copied a pile of things that AutoStore never patented, and the patented bits were always a sideshow?)

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#35
post #18

It's interesting how Amazon is embedding robots in human-designed warehouses whereas Ocado has humans overseeing a robotic warehouse. The later is a much easier problem.

The Ocado warehouse automation is pretty crazy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZ_8cqfBlE

Incredibile!

Also, from the comments:

"My favorite thing about this is how 2 weeks after this video went up, they had an accident where two robots collided and caused a gigantic fire that cost them like 50 million dollars."

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

#36
post #7

And yet some people think AI will take over jobs. I am amazed this robot was not in place 20 years ago. Really ?

I don't understand why people still express doubt about this - AI already is and has been taking over jobs.

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Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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post #32
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's still far slower than a human being, and those bins are far too neat.

It's not about throughput per unit, it's about throughput per unit of cost . If five cheap robots outperform a single skilled worker, robots win. But depending on jurisdiction, those five robots might still lose to a dozen or so slaves kept near starvation. For the skilled worker it's bad news one way or the other.

What skilled worker? This is a low skill worker they are replacing.

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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post #2

Warehouses is definitely not where I expected robots with retractable blades to first appear. The demo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXco05eK28

I guess a spatula is a kind of blade. I was expecting something a little more exciting though, from your comment.

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

#39
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until they unionize.

Do robots rely on being ionized? I'd have thought a robot which wasn't ionized would work just fine

You're thinking of "Onionized", when their exploits are covered by one of the world's best publications.

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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post #34
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why Ocado gets so much credit for the latter though, they just copied AutoStore which has a fascinating history! They purchased an AutoStore, then reverse engineered it, made a few changes, and claimed it as their own invention.

There was a big patent lawsuit related to this, which as I understand it Ocado won pretty comprehensively. ( https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/ocado-wins-... -- case in UK court concluded that AutoStore's patents were all invalid and in any case Ocado didn't infringe them; there were a bunch of related cases in other jurisdictions but https://www.ocadogroup.com/media/news/autostore-and-ocado-se... indi…

> This seems difficult to square with your claim that Ocado "just copied AutoStore".

I just looked at videos of the two technologies and it seems difficult to ignore the relationship.

Perhaps this is a case of "technically correct", i.e. that they technically did not infringe the patents, but that in practice they leveraged as much as they could around the patent claims?

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