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Bethesda Thinks Fan Remaster of Oblivion Is 'Very Special' and Supports It

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Re: Bethesda Thinks Fan Remaster of Oblivion Is 'Very Special' and Supports It

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Post by goosedragons »

nothercastle wrote: post #22
jimbob45 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s call a spade a spade. Nintendo litigates worse than any other company and they never drop prices. I can look the other way because they’re otherwise very good to their customers but they do have genuine faults.

And they are really letting their franchises go stale recently. Pokémon is especially bad.

Pokemon is it's own weird situation. It's not solely owned by Nintendo, but co-owned and managed with Game Freak and Creatures Inc by The Pokemon Company. It's not just a game but a media empire. They have to coordinate between the game, anime and TCG. It's not quite the same as Zelda or Mario where they have complete control and don't have to worry about messing with dozens of other product launches if the game needs a delay.

I wouldn't agree that their other franchises are stale right now either. Certainly not compared to Ubi's, Microsoft's, etc.

Re: Bethesda Thinks Fan Remaster of Oblivion Is 'Very Special' and Supports It

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Post by washadjeffmad »

happytoexplain wrote: post #10
tmpz22 wrote: post #2

Bethesda knows support for the official remake would go down the toilet if they did anything but praise for the unofficial remake. Its hard to take Bethesda on good faith on this.

I know businesses often bring it upon themselves, but this "fucked if they do, fucked if they don't" attitude needs to be carefully applied. It leaves no room for anything, really, and it's exhausting.

It's not unwarranted. With the recent popularity of remakes and rereleases, there's been tension between fans, their multi-year/decade labor of love projects, and the studios hoping to remonetize dated franchises.

A friend and old-school RuneScape player told me he was quitting over this: https://www.ibtimes.com/runescape-devs-backtrack-hd-mod-ban-...

Bethesda signaling their blessing might not have happened if others hadn't made such spectacular messes of their own relaunches.

Re: Bethesda Thinks Fan Remaster of Oblivion Is 'Very Special' and Supports It

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Post by sushid »

jemmyw wrote: post #28
Lammy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bethesda doesn't think anything. It even kind of irks me when people talk about “Bethesda” when it's really “Microsoft Corporation presents Microsoft Gaming presents Zenimax Media presents Bethesda Softworks presents Bethesda Game Studios”. Not picking on you in particular since the same thing happens with iD Software, Github, NPM, and many many more. I feel like there's a collective lack of straightforward languag…

I wouldn't know who Bethesda was owned by without going and looking it up. I personally don't think this kind of corporate structure should be allowed, too much controlled by too few.

What would you allow? Just one level deep? Two? All you'd be doing is incentivizing the creation of more proxies and more legal fees/inefficiencies to go along with it.

Re: Bethesda Thinks Fan Remaster of Oblivion Is 'Very Special' and Supports It

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Post by KeepFlying »

sushid wrote: post #33
jemmyw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't know who Bethesda was owned by without going and looking it up. I personally don't think this kind of corporate structure should be allowed, too much controlled by too few.

What would you allow? Just one level deep? Two? All you'd be doing is incentivizing the creation of more proxies and more legal fees/inefficiencies to go along with it.

The number of levels isnt the issue, it's the size and scope of control of the market.

The rest is on journalists to be sure to mention "Microsoft owned Bethesda" more often.

Re: Bethesda Thinks Fan Remaster of Oblivion Is 'Very Special' and Supports It

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Post by tedunangst »

jemmyw wrote: post #13

Bethesda doesn't think anything. Some people in leadership there think this. It would be very nice if they codeified what "support" means and the circumstances around it into company policy so that fans know what is what while that policy is in place (and who to blame if the policy is abandoned).

I think people understand how metonymy works.

Re: Bethesda Thinks Fan Remaster of Oblivion Is 'Very Special' and Supports It

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Post by npteljes »

jemmyw wrote: post #13

Bethesda doesn't think anything. Some people in leadership there think this. It would be very nice if they codeified what "support" means and the circumstances around it into company policy so that fans know what is what while that policy is in place (and who to blame if the policy is abandoned).

I hate the same about how media presents news regarding to nations. Russia attacks instead of Putin's army attacks, Brussels denies instead of EU officials deny, etc. It irks me so much, especially in a world where we pretend to do away with racism. Because what these headlines end up reinforce are just stereotypes. Which just keeps the people in their bubbles, wasting the chance of them learning something new about the world.

Re: Bethesda Thinks Fan Remaster of Oblivion Is 'Very Special' and Supports It

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Post by npteljes »

tedunangst wrote: post #35
jemmyw wrote: post #13

Bethesda doesn't think anything. Some people in leadership there think this. It would be very nice if they codeified what "support" means and the circumstances around it into company policy so that fans know what is what while that policy is in place (and who to blame if the policy is abandoned).

I think people understand how metonymy works.

Even if they do, I very highly doubt that they successfully process it emotionally too. I especially dislike when news conflates leaders with nations. I think it just adds unnecessary emotions to the mix. Which, of course, is good for the news source, so I doubt I'll ever see a decline in this phenomenon.

Re: Bethesda Thinks Fan Remaster of Oblivion Is 'Very Special' and Supports It

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Post by stevenwoo »

jimbob45 wrote: post #17
neuroelectron wrote: post #14

This is a bit different situation than Nintendo and it's not fair to compare the two. The mod requires the base game where Nintendo software is hardware coupled. Furthermore, Bethesda has monetized mods directly (the Creation Club).

Let’s call a spade a spade. Nintendo litigates worse than any other company and they never drop prices. I can look the other way because they’re otherwise very good to their customers but they do have genuine faults.

The digital game key with Switch 2 feels bad from a the perspective of people who keep their consoles forever.

Re: Bethesda Thinks Fan Remaster of Oblivion Is 'Very Special' and Supports It

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Post by stevenwoo »

goosedragons wrote: post #31
nothercastle wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they are really letting their franchises go stale recently. Pokémon is especially bad.

Pokemon is it's own weird situation. It's not solely owned by Nintendo, but co-owned and managed with Game Freak and Creatures Inc by The Pokemon Company. It's not just a game but a media empire. They have to coordinate between the game, anime and TCG. It's not quite the same as Zelda or Mario where they have complete control and don't have to worry about messing with dozens of other product launches if the game need…

Game Freak’s latest Nintendo offerings are subpar compared to somewhat open world offerings from the Wii generation like Xenoblade Chronicles and Breath of the Wild. They are just milking the Pokémon player base.

Re: Bethesda Thinks Fan Remaster of Oblivion Is 'Very Special' and Supports It

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Post by nothercastle »

jimbob45 wrote: post #29
nothercastle wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they are really letting their franchises go stale recently. Pokémon is especially bad.

In fairness, Pokémon is perhaps the worst case in game design difficulty. You have an audience insisting on 3D characters and animations for 400+ (or however many now) Pokémon, each necessitating ~6 animations for unique attacks, 5+ status effects, idling/reaction animations, and ideally some trainer interaction. I understand why Nintendo has tried to use a lo-fi artstyle, make games with only subsets of the total be…

Honestly at this point they could go back to 151 and just do a good job filling them out and go from there. But all 3d games suffer from not being able to hand craft such a large 3d world but Pokémon is absolutely terrible at it. The Games look like they could have ran in the ps2 mid generation.
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