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Re: DeepSeek-Prover-V2

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The best part about these is that I know the weights are static so I know I won't have to deal with a sassy unusable update for a week suddenly.

Or, like with Claude, it being effectively lobotomized during north american 'business' hours. 3am PST? Cracked. 8am PST? ... mentally challenged.

This is pretty interesting. Do you have more information about this?

Re: DeepSeek-Prover-V2

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That Putnam bench graph (middle one) is showing 49/658 solve rate. > The resulting model, DeepSeek-Prover-V2-671B, achieves state-of-the-art performance in neural theorem proving, reaching 88.9% pass ratio on the MiniF2F-test and solving 49 out of 658 problems from PutnamBench. Which is 0.07% (edit: 7%) for PutnamBench

How likely is it that Putnam answers were in DeepSeek's training data?

Re: DeepSeek-Prover-V2

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The way intelligence works to me, is more about:

- Making correct and smart assumption. Currently all LLM bots are too stupid at making good assumptions. I don't want to explicitly repeat and repeat again my own assumptions while the context is clear enough. Hey bots, try harder.

- LLM bot needs to bring their own secondary and contextual memory in reasoning, i don't want to do it for you, ok ? You're the bot.

- Thinking out of the box. This is the final stage of intelligence. Adapt old technique to make your own technique to solve non-existing before problems.

Re: DeepSeek-Prover-V2

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That Putnam bench graph (middle one) is showing 49/658 solve rate. > The resulting model, DeepSeek-Prover-V2-671B, achieves state-of-the-art performance in neural theorem proving, reaching 88.9% pass ratio on the MiniF2F-test and solving 49 out of 658 problems from PutnamBench. Which is 0.07% (edit: 7%) for PutnamBench

How likely is it that Putnam answers were in DeepSeek's training data?

The solutions weren't published anywhere. There is also no good automatic way to generate solutions as far as I know, even expensive ones (previous sota was 10 solutions and one before was 8 using pass@3200 for 7b model). Potentially the developers could've paid some people who are good in putnam-level math problems and lean to write solutions for LLMs. It is hard to estimate likelihood of that but it sounds like waste of money given relatively marginal problem/benchmark.

Re: DeepSeek-Prover-V2

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> related: I imagine in the future we might several "expert" LLM's and a wrapper can delegate tasks as needed as if it were a "tool". That way we can have segregation of expertise - each individual model can excel at one single thing. In the future? I'm pretty sure people do that already.

No I disagree. I would want ChatGPT to abstract away expert models - biochemistry model, coding model, physics model and maybe O3 would use these models as tools to come up with an answer. The point being that a separate expert model would be better at its own field than a single model that tries to be good at everything. Intuitively it makes sense, in practice I have seen anecdotes where finetuning a small model on…

> have seen anecdotes where finetuning a small model on domain data makes the model lose coherence on other topics

This is expected behaviour.

Re: DeepSeek-Prover-V2

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The way intelligence works to me, is more about: - Making correct and smart assumption. Currently all LLM bots are too stupid at making good assumptions. I don't want to explicitly repeat and repeat again my own assumptions while the context is clear enough. Hey bots, try harder. - LLM bot needs to bring their own secondary and contextual memory in reasoning, i don't want to do it for you, ok ? You're the bot. - Thin…

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Re: DeepSeek-Prover-V2

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I disagree. I would want ChatGPT to abstract away expert models - biochemistry model, coding model, physics model and maybe O3 would use these models as tools to come up with an answer. The point being that a separate expert model would be better at its own field than a single model that tries to be good at everything. Intuitively it makes sense, in practice I have seen anecdotes where finetuning a small model on…

> have seen anecdotes where finetuning a small model on domain data makes the model lose coherence on other topics This is expected behaviour.

i know. so why don't we have domain specific models as tools in consumer llm products
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