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Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by senderista »

steveBK123 wrote: post #9

I am not a fan of the orange man. But I think its an interesting question if the feds should be funding rich Ivies with small numbers of students vs more efficient state universities which educated 100s of thousands each at a fraction of the cost per student. All of the Ivy League combined educate 65k undergrads. SUNY by comparison educates 5x that many at a tuition of 1/5th to 1/10th depending on in/out of state and…

Funding teaching is not the same as funding research. Some of the best research talent is concentrated in the Ivies.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by micromacrofoot »

Papirola wrote: post #7

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Turns out both Jewish and Muslim students are getting harassed, which isn't surprising at all to anyone paying attention... this was also true before the current israel/palestine conflict

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/29/us/harvard-reports-antisemiti...

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by School-Cotton »

freeone3000 wrote: post #23
ty6853 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the double edge sword of moving away from voluntary transaction in the market and towards government-imposed funding. The government takes away your ability to choose what to fund, holds the purse, then smacks the purse at you filled with the weight of your own money.

The government, with laws as written, has more restrictions on when it can pull money than private parties, due to its legal obligation to be content-of-speech-neutral. We are discovering that United Stares law is meaningless.

Law everywhere is meaningless unless “we have to follow the law” is a cultural norm. This is why norms are more fundamental and more important than laws.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by ty6853 »

freeone3000 wrote: post #23
ty6853 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the double edge sword of moving away from voluntary transaction in the market and towards government-imposed funding. The government takes away your ability to choose what to fund, holds the purse, then smacks the purse at you filled with the weight of your own money.

The government, with laws as written, has more restrictions on when it can pull money than private parties, due to its legal obligation to be content-of-speech-neutral. We are discovering that United Stares law is meaningless.

You are discovering this. It wasn't that long ago when the national guard took tuition money away from Kent State in the form of executing their students for free speech.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by dragonwriter »

steveBK123 wrote: post #9

I am not a fan of the orange man. But I think its an interesting question if the feds should be funding rich Ivies with small numbers of students vs more efficient state universities which educated 100s of thousands each at a fraction of the cost per student. All of the Ivy League combined educate 65k undergrads. SUNY by comparison educates 5x that many at a tuition of 1/5th to 1/10th depending on in/out of state and…

> But I think its an interesting question if the feds should be funding rich Ivies with small numbers of students vs more efficient state universities which educated 100s of thousands each at a fraction of the cost per student.

The funding at issue is research funding, not educational funding, and it goes to both kinds of universities (vastly more, in aggregate, to state universities than Ivies.)

> Obviously what he is doing is punitive. BUT, I think the constant focus in the press on the Ivys when we talk about education is a huge distraction from how we are actually going to improve access, quality & cost to education in this county.

If research funding is used as a lever to establish political control, those things literally do not matter, since whatever universities survive will simply be tools of totalitarian indoctrination by the regime.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by [deleted] »

ty6853 wrote: post #35
freeone3000 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government, with laws as written, has more restrictions on when it can pull money than private parties, due to its legal obligation to be content-of-speech-neutral. We are discovering that United Stares law is meaningless.

You are discovering this. It wasn't that long ago when the national guard took tuition money away from Kent State in the form of executing their students for free speech.

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Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by [deleted] »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

private schools shouldn't be getting public money. shocking people disagree. yes they do research that benefits the public. so does Meta and Google, who don't get public money. public money should go to public schools. especially considering that the PIs who do the work in the private school scenario effectively boost the private school's clout with public money, but these private schools do not increase accessibilit…

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