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Re: Japan unveils first solar super-panel

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This article is a bad rewrite of this one from a month ago: https://www.ecoticias.com/en/japan-super-solar-panel/12474/ > Scientists in Japan have been discussing the possibility of using a material called perovskite for solar panels > The perovskite tandem cell has a theoretical efficiency limit of 43 per cent, while the silicon-based cell has a theoretical efficiency limit of 29 percent. It is speculated that these…

Thank you, I couldn't make heads or tails of that press release

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In my experience, no matter how many panels you install, Solar can cover power consumption 30-40% of its max capacity. Winter, night, bad weather will eat the rest. To go beyond the 30-40% you will need energy store or alternative sources. This is still great but not a 100% solution.

Most people who care about independence should be concerned with having a system that can run in island mode but at least 90% of systems installed today are grid tied and cannot function as an island

I care about indepedence, but I also care about scale.

It makes absolutely zero sense for me, a homeowner in New Mexico, to have my own storage facilities capable of getting me through a winter heating season (using air-source heat pumps). It makes much more sense for the storage to be centralized, scaled and managed, while my own PV array contributes to it during the summer time.

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the perovskite material is currently impossible to put into service as it degrades instantly when exposed to ambient conditions, and there is no word yet on a perfect hermetic sealing technology to protect it. so this should read as an attempt to leverage the current anti china (market cornered for good,cheap, solar), into a pivot towards something that has been stuck on almost for 15 years now

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Aspiration for 20 GW of power by 2040, or in 15 years time. In the period 1980-1990, I repeat in a 50% shorter period commencing forty years ago , France installed 34 GW of nuclear. All I want is for someone advocating renewables over nuclear to give me a single example of a buildout of available-in-winter power exceeding that target with the forty years of investment available. Or to agree that we have, fundamentall…

Both wind and solar have deployed faster than nuclear ever did globally. And that's in Wh terms, you specify capacity but I guess you'd be annoyed if I replied that renewables beat that capacity easily, like China deploying 80GW of wind just last year. Here's an article looking at per capita increases show that France and Sweden did really well but renewables are accelerating past their records: https://www.sustainab…

except nuclear was prevented from growing by governments so let's not talk about how one grows faster than another

Re: Japan unveils first solar super-panel

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Perovskite cells still don't make much sense for the majority of applications (and I suspect they never will): they're expensive, generally use toxic materials, and degrade much more quickly than silicon panels. Silicon panels are cheap, non-toxic, and long-lasting and plenty efficient enough for 90% of use cases.

Agreed, thought if we could get silicon + perovskite working well with stable perovskite that combined efficiency might be worthwhile.

Oxford PV say they have some that work ok being put into commercial use on a small scale - https://www.oxfordpv.com/news/20-more-powerful-tandem-solar-...

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Aspiration for 20 GW of power by 2040, or in 15 years time. In the period 1980-1990, I repeat in a 50% shorter period commencing forty years ago , France installed 34 GW of nuclear. All I want is for someone advocating renewables over nuclear to give me a single example of a buildout of available-in-winter power exceeding that target with the forty years of investment available. Or to agree that we have, fundamentall…

> we have, fundamentally and quite deliberately, become worse at generating [nuclear] energy Yes. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03014... Nuclear has a negative learning curve: it gets more expensive over time. Solar gets (spectacularly) cheaper over time. You might not like it but that's what the built infrastructure and its invoices tell us.

I'm very interested to see if China's current nuclear power generation build out manages to climb onto the cost-learning curve.

Re: Japan unveils first solar super-panel

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Sharing this episode without vouching for its accuracy.

   How Record Breaking Perovskites Are Here NOW [2024-12-17]
   Undecided with Matt Ferrell
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEgkTnkNhRs
(I feel like Matt Ferrell does solid reporting and analysis, but I'm still undecided. Any one know otherwise?)

My noob takeaway, from Ferrell and others, is that solar cells will continue to improve (per cost-learning curve) for the foreseeable future. It's no longer the bottleneck.

We now need to focus on the current bottlenecks. Like policy, building codes, installation costs, inverters, coercing utilities and their regulators into accelerating grid improvements (to accommodate new generation, storage, and customers), etc.

Lastly, per Jenny Chase (Bloomberg NEF), we urgently need to double down on renewable competitors to solar, like wind and advanced geothermal. To keep those tech stacks in the running (cost of capital, ROI). So they remain commercially available for use cases not addressed by solar. Lest they be left behind and therefore more likely to stay on fossil carbon.

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