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Re: Still standing

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Post by mrandish »

chris_wot wrote: post #26
john-h-k wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To practice free speech requires an intent to express a point of view Excellent, now we can ban speech we don’t like by just saying it doesn’t actually express a point of view

You can't yell out in a theatre that there is a fire and cause a stampede.

Just in case you're not citing that old debunked free speech trope ironically, please see: "Don’t Use These Free-Speech Arguments Ever Again" by First Amendment expert Ken White (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/free-speec...).

Re: Still standing

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Post by transcriptase »

romanhn wrote: post #9

being starved of money for years by advertisers, payment providers, and service providers Given the language in this announcement that lays blame at everyone else's feet except the people responsible for maintaining the platform, I'm pretty sure that no lessons were learned, and that the security is not likely to improve beyond whatever bandaids that were needed to address this hack.

Get real. Companies with infinitely more money, staff, and robust security practices are hacked every day. The only difference is they put out a vague generic corpospeak statement whereas this one admitted it was caused by a skeleton crew on a shoestring budget getting caught out. Given the nature of their user base and how many others would love to see 4chan go down, if things were as bad as you imply then hackers would be taking the site down weekly.

Re: Still standing

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Post by chris_wot »

mrandish wrote: post #31
chris_wot wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't yell out in a theatre that there is a fire and cause a stampede.

Just in case you're not citing that old debunked free speech trope ironically, please see: "Don’t Use These Free-Speech Arguments Ever Again" by First Amendment expert Ken White ( https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/free-speec... ).

I have no idea what you are talking about, and I am unable to read the article as it is behind a paywall.

Re: Still standing

#39

Post by ivraatiems »

romanhn wrote: post #9

being starved of money for years by advertisers, payment providers, and service providers Given the language in this announcement that lays blame at everyone else's feet except the people responsible for maintaining the platform, I'm pretty sure that no lessons were learned, and that the security is not likely to improve beyond whatever bandaids that were needed to address this hack.

How likely is it that the attacker, who now has all of their source code, has already identified several additional vulnerabilities they can use? Seems pretty likely to me.

I don't think advertisers, payment providers, service providers, or hardware vendors told 4chan what version of OpenBSD to run or how often to update packages. Those are tasks that require time and effort, yes, but they're not herculean. They could have been done. I think laziness and disinterest are the more likely reasons.

Re: Still standing

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Post by ForOldHack »

romanhn wrote: post #9

being starved of money for years by advertisers, payment providers, and service providers Given the language in this announcement that lays blame at everyone else's feet except the people responsible for maintaining the platform, I'm pretty sure that no lessons were learned, and that the security is not likely to improve beyond whatever bandaids that were needed to address this hack.

"We are still standing..." with our pants around our ankles, running around headless, seamless, breathless, brainless.

"I'm pretty sure that no lessons were learned." I would bet that was the case.

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