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California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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California should acquire some nuclear weapons then.

I doubt its realistic for powerful states like California to cecede. Is there a path from here to a near (think 50 years) future, where California and the US, sans California, exist?

Why secede when we can just get our state sold to Denmark?

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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I have probably never felt more insecure (and disgusted at the same time) in a Western country, the way I felt on the streets of LA. Not all of them, of course, some are obviously well guarded - which in turn makes me think the government and city council is not doing a great job really. Is the situation as bad in San Francisco?

SF is better than I remember 6 years ago.

Purely anecdotal

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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I wish we had the same outsized influence over the US federal policy as well.

Tying economic output to political power gets hairy pretty quickly. You incentivize states to put economic outcome before the wellbeing of the citizens and give states with rare natural resources more power than those that rely on value produced by a workforce.

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Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

California should acquire some nuclear weapons then.

I doubt its realistic for powerful states like California to cecede. Is there a path from here to a near (think 50 years) future, where California and the US, sans California, exist?

I doubt its realistic for powerful colonies like America to declare independence.

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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While a low effort comment, it does touch on an important topic.

Imagine if CA was run with the kind of efficiency that Singapore or South Korea was run. Clean, safe streets. Modern infrastructure.

Instead we get a state government that is going to waste the goose that laid the golden egg. The high taxes paid disappear in a black hole centered in Sacramento.

CA reminds me of New Jersey. Other states used to be jealous of New Jersey's economy, yet the riches were frittered away by an inefficient government.

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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I wish we had the same outsized influence over the US federal policy as well.

Tying economic output to political power gets hairy pretty quickly. You incentivize states to put economic outcome before the wellbeing of the citizens and give states with rare natural resources more power than those that rely on value produced by a workforce.

Tying population to political power definitely makes sense though.

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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If California separated from the US, most of California would separate from California and rejoin the US. Read about the "State of Jefferson" movement, etc. The Coastal cities in California are really a completely different place from the rest of the state, and the rest of the state is pretty dissatisfied with this union.

The people in Jefferson County come off as pretty loony.

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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I wish we had the same outsized influence over the US federal policy as well.

Honestly 80% of California's problems are self-inflicted

NIMBYs limiting growth.

Crazy crime handling policies in SF (which are getting reverted now).

Cities outside the main centers (SFBA, LA, etc) dying.

Complete political ineptitude for things like HSR

No wonder they're losing population

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