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I'm not sure if I follow. Are you implying that dragons are real?
It depends. In most Nibelungen texts, he doesn’t encounter a dragon, but rather a long lindworm with shiny armor. In these accounts, someone slays the lindworm, but not through direct combat. Instead, he uses an invisibility cloak, takes the creature's treasure, and bathes in its blood. Later, he meets his end due to treachery. Clearly, this is a work of fantasy. But what about the Roman historian's lament regarding…
The Truth about Atlantis (2019)
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Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Richat Structure is the result of natural geological processes. Other than having concentric circles, it doesn't match Plato's description of Atlantis, and there is no evidence that any large city was ever there.
"The Richat Structure is the result of natural geological processes." - this is irrelevant "Other than having concentric circles, it doesn't match Plato's description of Atlantis" - in what way? Be specific. "and there is no evidence that any large city was ever there." - lol, there has never been a thorough archeological survey, and the surveys that have been done have turned up evidence that points to noteworthy hu…
Plato pretty clearly describes the city as man-made. Perhaps Atlantis was real, but he was mistaken about how it was built, so let's give you that. However, everything else still doesn't match.
>in what way? Be specific
That's a bit bossy. It's funny that you ask me to be specific, given that you're providing no evidence for your claim other than "it's round."
Plato is pretty specific in how he describes Atlantis. He says there's a mountain 9 km away from the city. That does not match the geography of the structure. He says there are three concentric circles of land; it's unclear what would even count as a circle of land in the structure, but it doesn't look like three. Plato claims Atlantis was about 500km in diameter, but the city (i.e., the concentric rings) was only a few km, much smaller than the structure. He said there was a passage for ships into the city, half a km wide, which does not exist in the structure.
He also says Atlantis controlled Libya, Egypt, Asia, and parts of Europe. And yet there are no traces of anything? Nowhere? Nothing at all? But Plato knew about it, and nobody else?
>What about the tens of thousands of axe heads found all concentrated in one spot?
There is nothing there. There are no clay pots, no walls, and no abundance of metals or technological artefacts that should be there if this were Atlantis. There are no walls, and nothing. It's just nothing.
Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure if I follow. Are you implying that dragons are real?
It depends. In most Nibelungen texts, he doesn’t encounter a dragon, but rather a long lindworm with shiny armor. In these accounts, someone slays the lindworm, but not through direct combat. Instead, he uses an invisibility cloak, takes the creature's treasure, and bathes in its blood. Later, he meets his end due to treachery. Clearly, this is a work of fantasy. But what about the Roman historian's lament regarding…
Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The Richat Structure is the result of natural geological processes." - this is irrelevant "Other than having concentric circles, it doesn't match Plato's description of Atlantis" - in what way? Be specific. "and there is no evidence that any large city was ever there." - lol, there has never been a thorough archeological survey, and the surveys that have been done have turned up evidence that points to noteworthy hu…
> this is irrelevant I think OP mentions this due to your mention of meteor impacts > What about the tens of thousands of axe heads found all concentrated in one spot? According to Wikipedia, Stone Age axes. It seems reasonable to believe that the site provided easy access for material
I thought I was pretty clear about the strikes being in North America, but ill emphasize that point again. The formation is natural and the theory is that human settled in it for its logistical and defensive advantages (back when the area around it was lush), and then got wiped out by floods caused by global climate shifts caused by massive meteorite strikes in North America and possibly the Atlantic ocean.
> According to Wikipedia, Stone Age axes. It seems reasonable to believe that the site provided easy access for material
Sure, but given how little investment has been made into archeological studies of the area, isn't it interesting that we found evidence of some significant human activity?
It doesn't prove the theory, but its an observation that if anything lends to the theory.
The scientific method is a process of making observations, developing a theory, forming falsifiable hypotheses, testing them carefully, and then drawing conclusions, and updating the theory as appropriate.
I don't take issue with people being skeptical about all this, I just take issue with people confidently stating that it's been proven false. Their stance seems less scientific to me than the people who want to pursue experiments that validate or invalidate (or refine) the theory.
I for one just would like to know the truth, whatever it might be.
Edit: To the people who are downvoting this comment, I wish you would respond to it and explain why you think it deserves to be downvoted.
Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)
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#36I highly recommend BBC's In our time Podcast on Plato's Atlantis: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001c6t3 The conclusion is similar to OP: Plato had way too much fun making up the story. Originally it was meant to be a critique of democracy as practiced by the seafaring populace of Athens. There is also nice reading list provided there.
Like are we also giving Plato's account of the afterlife the same credibility?
He's also pulling in characters from a fairly large timespan, some of which (e.g. Parmenides) are unlikely to have unlikely to have overlapped with Socrates' active years.
Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)
#37>If you are like most Americans, chances are, you probably believe that Atlantis or another civilization like it once existed. A survey conducted by Chapman University in October 2014 found that, at that time, roughly 63% of people in the United States agreed or strongly agreed with the statement “ancient, advanced civilizations, such as Atlantis, once existed.” This seems like a misleading question. Based on what we…
Re: The Truth about Atlantis (2019)
#38I thought everyone knew that Atlantis is just another name for the Richat Structure.
For someone to post a comment like "I thought everyone knew" is so egregiously deceptive and misleading that the comment should be flagged. It's tantamount to posting "I thought everyone knew area 51 recovered aliens from Roswell." It's a conspiracy theory masquerading as an ordinary remark.
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#40That does not make the existence of Atlantis a mere fiction. With the end of the Ice Age and its consequences, plenty of civilizations may have disappeared in deep waters. The Sumerians themselves claimed they received their knowledge from a man who visited them by the sea (fish-man like creature) on the aftermath of the great flood which may have buried plenty of Atlantis-like civilizations which could be the missin…