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> What a wonderful world we live in.
This is proper reaction to Russia attacking Ukraine, not helping Ukraine to defend itself.
Major breakthroughs in UK munitions production
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Re: Major breakthroughs in UK munitions production
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Don't worry about this, it is even worse. 75% of all casualties Russian military doctors see stem from drones. (In major wars before it was artillery leading this list.) So investing into artillery shells is a bit like investing in cavalry 120 years ago..
Supposing this is true (hard to believe anything Russian sources say), this would make sense as Ukrainians had much less 155 munitions than Russia and the Allies had a hard time helping them as everybody thought wars in Europe are a thing of the past. So this particular ratio may change in a year or two.
Re: Major breakthroughs in UK munitions production
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, if you look at statistics like ww2, most harm to soldiers was inflicted by artillery.
>> These artillery shells are mostly for destroying equipment and structures not people. > No, if you look at statistics like ww2, most harm to soldiers was inflicted by artillery. These two statements are not mutually exclusive.
Maybe, but the existing of air burst artillery and cluster munition is not supporting this claim. Also, the digging of foxholes is done also partially to greatly decrease effectiveness of artillery fire.
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#34Innovation brought on by the fact they want to rid themselves of dependence on the USA. All around the world more and more countries and industry are looking for ways to decouple from American dependence.
As an American, this is a good thing. I don't want a world where Europe / UK are vassals to the hegemon. A European happy to live under America's boot rather than own their own destiny is a weak person indeed.
Other than the recent clown the US has elected, does the EU really feel like a "vassal"? Do people toil against their will, yield their culture to another power? In Australia we're even more so a "vassal" of England, but we're as Aussie as Aussie can be. Life wouldn't change a zack if we separated from the UK...we'd just be a Republic I suppose?
I can't imagine the EU should feel particularly different? (other than Ukraine and the recent shemozzle)
Re: Major breakthroughs in UK munitions production
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't worry about this, it is even worse. 75% of all casualties Russian military doctors see stem from drones. (In major wars before it was artillery leading this list.) So investing into artillery shells is a bit like investing in cavalry 120 years ago..
> 75% of all casualties Russian military doctors see stem from drones How can the doctors tell? And a drone does not carry much AP armament. But one smacking into a Ukrainian residential block...
Probably artillery fragments cause other wounds then drones.
Re: Major breakthroughs in UK munitions production
#36Empires usually operate by looting their holdings to enrich the imperial core. There is normally something that sustains their dominance. The British Empire was the drug dealer empire, first with tobacco and later with opium. There were also some spices in there too. But the British Empire at one point covered a quarter of the globe, leading to the double-meaning of "the sun never sets on the British Empire" (also me…
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Re: Major breakthroughs in UK munitions production
#37Innovation brought on by the fact they want to rid themselves of dependence on the USA. All around the world more and more countries and industry are looking for ways to decouple from American dependence.
> These developments follow more than £150m of investment by the Company in its UK munitions facilities since 2022
The sustained need for artillery shells since 2022 did not arise because more countries wanted to decouple from American dependence, but because a war was started that did not allow for the typical NATO doctrine of air superiority to be used. I wonder when so many artillery shells were last used as they have been in Ukraine.
Re: Major breakthroughs in UK munitions production
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> What a wonderful world we live in. This is proper reaction to Russia attacking Ukraine, not helping Ukraine to defend itself.
do you think that the russians an ukrainians, and just about everyone else, are not not manufacturing this shit in increasing volume? do you think this is good?
Re: Major breakthroughs in UK munitions production
#39Empires usually operate by looting their holdings to enrich the imperial core. There is normally something that sustains their dominance. The British Empire was the drug dealer empire, first with tobacco and later with opium. There were also some spices in there too. But the British Empire at one point covered a quarter of the globe, leading to the double-meaning of "the sun never sets on the British Empire" (also me…
> Why do I mention all this? Because despite the mantra of "making America great", the current administration is doing more to destroy US direct and soft power than anyone could possibly have imagined, more than current and former adversaries (eg the USSR, China) could ever have dreamed of doing themselves.
The two aren't inconsistent; one of the major dissident observations that has propelled Trump is that the Not-An-Empire doesn't seem to be driving prosperity in the way people would expect. It is driving prosperity to the ... I dunno, call them imperial elites or upper middle class+. Obviously the empire is great for people like the Bush or Biden families. Not so obvious the 20 years of war in Afghanistan was a big win for everyone else or all the unrelated destruction. It stands out that China has built a US-sized economy in the last 50 years without really sending out any armies; military aggression obviously isn't the only factor here.
It is a complex issue but ultimately it is not easy to rule out the bureaucracy that manages the empire doing more damage to the US than the benefits empire brings. Voting by the numbers is suggesting that the damage has been significant.
Re: Major breakthroughs in UK munitions production
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Don't worry about this, it is even worse. 75% of all casualties Russian military doctors see stem from drones. (In major wars before it was artillery leading this list.) So investing into artillery shells is a bit like investing in cavalry 120 years ago..
Cavalry was replaced by mechanised cavalry, the concept still exists with better equipment.
Drones don't replace artillery, they are a new weapon, just like air dropped bombs didn't completely replace artillery. An army with drones and artillery is more capable than an army with only drones.
The main difference is that armies learnt how to counter artillery: keep squads separated enough, assault units more dispersed, dig more foxholes, etc. They haven't learnt how to counter drones yet, the arms race for that is raging on Ukraine.