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An image of the Australian desert illuminates satellite pollution

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Re: An image of the Australian desert illuminates satellite pollution

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It is so polluted you need professional camera gear and processing of hundreds of photos together in order to show it. Get real. Internet access for poor, remote rural areas across the global is more important than convenient timelapse photography.

a) You can take these photos with a smart phone.

b) In Australia we are rolling out fibre to rural areas and are testing 10Gb plans. Starlink will never come close to those speeds.

Re: An image of the Australian desert illuminates satellite pollution

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Just paint the satellites black?

Can't tell if you're joking or not, but SpaceX has indeed been collaborating with astronomical observatories to reduce the apparent magnitude (brightness) to ground for Starlink satellites. It's not as if the potential issues weren't apparent and reported on pretty early on, ie, [0] in summer 2020 before the network entered beta. It's not perfect and the period during orbit raising before the satellites enter operati…

> Can't tell if you're joking or not

Not. Often obvious simple solutions are overlooked. For example, NASA spent huge sums of money trying to design a gas gauge that will work in weightless conditions. Until an engineer suggested just having a "reserve" tank that has enough to bring the spacecraft out of orbit.

Another one was NASA spend a lot of money trying to figure out how to not have the Apollo capsule overheat from the sun. The trivial solution was to make it a rotisserie, i.e. slowly rotate it.

Re: An image of the Australian desert illuminates satellite pollution

#35

It is so polluted you need professional camera gear and processing of hundreds of photos together in order to show it. Get real. Internet access for poor, remote rural areas across the global is more important than convenient timelapse photography.

The poor can't afford it. Military use is the only way Starlink will stay afloat.

Re: An image of the Australian desert illuminates satellite pollution

#36

It is so polluted you need professional camera gear and processing of hundreds of photos together in order to show it. Get real. Internet access for poor, remote rural areas across the global is more important than convenient timelapse photography.

a) You can take these photos with a smart phone. b) In Australia we are rolling out fibre to rural areas and are testing 10Gb plans. Starlink will never come close to those speeds.

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Re: An image of the Australian desert illuminates satellite pollution

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>Unpopular opinion: global internet access is more important than pretty pictures of the sky. You're right about one thing - It is an unpopular opinion. You're wrong about global internet access being more important than being able to take "pretty pictures" of the night sky. Global internet access has become a tool for homogenizing opinion. It has become the most useful tool for propagandists and others who would pus…

I don’t know what the hell you’re going on about for the most part, but the fact is it’s not economically viable for ISPs or even governments to build fibre out to most rural areas. Satellite internet has been a game changer for people living in these areas. The people who grow your food deserve to be able to video chat with their family and stream videos at resolutions higher than 480p without constant buffering.

I agree that there are strong economic reasons in favor but lets not overstate things. If it was economically viable to build out copper telephone lines to those areas then there is zero reason fiber should pose an issue. As far as raw materials go fiber is much cheaper than copper.

Re: An image of the Australian desert illuminates satellite pollution

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Starlink and similar do not have the capacity for true global internet access. They are suitable only for their current, niche markets e.g. rural areas. If you truly want global internet access fibre is the best option.

How do you get fiber to the top of a mountain or the middle of the ocean?

Re: An image of the Australian desert illuminates satellite pollution

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Even more unpopular opinion: it's highly debatable that internet access increases the quality of life for most people.

This is very easy to say sitting in a developed country where your access to information has never been in question. There are still millions if not billions that don't have access to the rest of humanity's knowledge.
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