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Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by maronato »

C4stor wrote: post #9

The "fair use" part takes a lot of place in this article. It talks a lot about what happens if you use more tokens than what you're allowed, but curiously doesn't pip a word about what happens if you use less - for example maybe with a partial rebate on your next billing cycle ? I think "fair" should mean "fair for all parties involved", currently it's rather a "we don't want to incur any risk" policy, since I don't…

It’s the exact opposite. They are incurring a huge amount of risk with this.

6 hours ago most users didn’t have access to this feature at all. Now we have $4-8 of raw token credits a month to use on a well-built feature.

I’m paying $9 a month with the annual subscription, and it was worth it just for Search. Now they’re giving me $17 worth of value for the same price.

Their margins must be razor thin, and they’re only able to offer this much value because they’re counting on most people not using all credits. If everyone did, or if they gave rebates, they’d go out of business.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by zuzulo »

C4stor wrote: post #9

The "fair use" part takes a lot of place in this article. It talks a lot about what happens if you use more tokens than what you're allowed, but curiously doesn't pip a word about what happens if you use less - for example maybe with a partial rebate on your next billing cycle ? I think "fair" should mean "fair for all parties involved", currently it's rather a "we don't want to incur any risk" policy, since I don't…

Is it fair enough to ask your favorite restaurant to lower the bill because you didn't eat the two last franch fries ?

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by viraptor »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #4
viraptor wrote: post #2

If the staff sees this - please stop preventing zoom. Not only is that bad for accessibility, it makes the article less useful for everyone - there's a screenshot included showing off the feature, but it's too small to read on the phone and I can't zoom in.

I can zoom in Android 14 Firefox 136.0.1 (Build #2016078447), hg-e7956a4db6c5+ GV: 136.0.1-20250310180126 AS: 136.0 ublock origin enable zoom in all websites Edit: I know this is not what you are asking for, but try opening the image in a new tab. Can you zoom in there? https://kagifeedback.org/assets/files/2025-04-17/1744906741-...

Yeah, I know the workarounds. This is more of a "complain publicly to maybe fix this specific case, but mostly raise awareness for people who will build the next thing".

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by onli »

cma wrote: post #26
Hasnep wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox on Android has an accessibility setting called "Zoom on all web sites" that gets around this. Firefox's reader mode would help with this as well. It's a shame we need these workarounds instead of all websites being accessible by default :/

The original android browser had something much better, zoom until the size was right, double tap to reflow to fit

The new one has an extension that reflows on zoom. https://github.com/emvaized/text-reflow-on-zoom-mobile, it is quite useful.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by loehnsberg »

m1keil wrote: post #12

Anyone used both Kagi assistant and perplexity and can share how was the experience?

I use both but cancelled my Perplexity subscription.

Kagi is the better version of Google search, especially if you learn how to use lenses, bangs, and all these features. Kagi Assistant is great if you‘re happy with basic no-frills chat, i.e. no usable voice input, no image gen, no canvas.

Perplexity is not bad, but somewhat stuck in the middle between ChatGPT/Gemini and search. They provide sources for search results which are somewhat more spot-on than what I‘ve seen elsewhere. For example it could find EV chargers with restaurants for a trip I made along a route, which ChatGPT, Gemini, Kagi Assist failed greatly).

I found refining searches with Perplexity terse and it kept forgetting context once you started to reply. They have an AI generated news feed which lured me into more doom scrolling.

Also, be aware that Perplexity free-tier may collect data about you, which Kagi does not.

Tldr; Kagi is a superior search engine worth paying for. Perplexity seems good at queries that require context but quite expensive.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by lucb1e »

Maxion wrote: post #22
fhd2 wrote: post #16

I wonder why the rollout is specifically over the weekend. I'd personally do something like that Monday to Wednesday rather than Friday to Sunday. It seems like the kind of thing that needs monitoring and quick reactions - can easily get expensive if something goes wrong.

Possible that they see lower usage on weekends.

They're already limiting it to one country at first. If they want a slower ramp-up, they can show it to more and more users rather than working weekends. Not to rule it out but this would strike me as a strange reason

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by onli »

zuzulo wrote: post #32
C4stor wrote: post #9

The "fair use" part takes a lot of place in this article. It talks a lot about what happens if you use more tokens than what you're allowed, but curiously doesn't pip a word about what happens if you use less - for example maybe with a partial rebate on your next billing cycle ? I think "fair" should mean "fair for all parties involved", currently it's rather a "we don't want to incur any risk" policy, since I don't…

Is it fair enough to ask your favorite restaurant to lower the bill because you didn't eat the two last franch fries ?

If it's a subscription and someone else can eat the fries, of course?

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by greatgib »

Obviously I'm happy to benefit from being able to use most model "for free" in my paid non ultimate account.

But I'm concerned that this will not rot the business model like that kind of thing happen for other services.

I would have preferred that the full of my subscription cost goes to the core feature of developing the search engine and directly the related feature. And as of today, I pay a separate premium if I'm interested by the AI assistant.

Now, with it being in all subscriptions, and knowing that anyway they can only work by paying the token price per request to all AI providers, it means less of my money going to the search index improvement, and what I'm more worried is that a forced increased of the subscription price in the coming years.

Something like, as you know, our costs are high, so we need to raise the pricing to stay sustainable.

Even if not the best reference, this remind me of Netflix saying look we are adding "videogames" (that no one wants) to your subscription for free, but now we will have to raise our prices, because you know, inflation and all of that ...

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