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Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

Asraelite wrote: post #24
yorwba wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And one of those 10,000 will have a multimillion marketing budget and people are talking about it online and remixing it into memes and it will make a lot more money than the second-most popular movie, even though there's no discernable quality difference.

It will basically be like the rise of indie games. Every now and again you get something like Among Us which is low quality but good enough to be enjoyable and with the right combination of luck and timing it becomes insanely popular.

Not just Among Us. You also get Minecraft!

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by mritun »

strangattractor wrote: post #28

Google is the new Microsoft in the sense that they can Embrace, extend, and extinguish their competition. No matter what xAI or OpenAI or "anything"AI tries to build Google will eventually copy and destroy them at scale. AI (or A1 as our Secretary of Education calls it) is interesting because it is more difficult to protect the IP other than as trade secrets.

> Google will eventually copy…

Weird take given Google basically invented and released through well written papers and open-source software the modern deep learning stack which all others build on.

Google was being disses because they failed to make any product and were increasingly looking like Kodak/Xerox one trick pony. It seems they have woken up from whatever slumber they were in

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by gh0stcat »

jddj wrote: post #15
delichon wrote: post #4

I think I would buy "yes" shares in a Polymarket event that predicts a motion picture created by a single person grossing more than $100M by 2027.

I came to the same sort of conclusion when watching Kitsune, which I think was one person and VEO https://vimeo.com/1047370252 Granted, 5 minutes isn't 1h30 but it's not a million miles away either.

This actually so amateurish and cliche it's painful. The fact people like this shows that art never had a chance when the masses have no taste. This makes me depressed for artists and the future.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by torginus »

I am not really technical in this domain, but why is everything text-to-X?

Wouldn't it be possible to draw a rough sketch of a terrain, drop a picture of the character, draw a 3D spline for the walk path, while having a traditional keyframe style editor, and give certain points some keyframe actions (like character A turns on his flashlight at frame 60) - in short, something that allows minute creative control just like current tools do?

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by torginus »

minimaxir wrote: post #11

Whisk itself ( https://labs.google/fx/tools/whisk ) was released a few months ago under the radar as a demo for Imagen 3 and it's actually fun to play with and surprisingly robust given its particular implementation. It uses a prompt transmutation trick (convert the uploaded images into a textual description; can verify by viewing the description of the uploaded image) and the strength of Imagen 3's actually modern t…

Why text? why not encode the image into some latent space representation, so that it can survive a round-trip more or less faithfully?

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by GloamingNiblets »

tracerbulletx wrote: post #16
delichon wrote: post #4

I think I would buy "yes" shares in a Polymarket event that predicts a motion picture created by a single person grossing more than $100M by 2027.

Everyone keeps ignoring supply and demand when talking about the impacts of AI. Let's just assume it really gets so good you can do this and it doesn't suck. Yes the costs will get so low that there will be almost no barrier to making content but if there is no barrier to making content, the ROI will be massive, and so everyone will be doing it, you can more or less have the exact movie you want in your head on deman…

A good parallel is writing books. Books can cost little to write and publish, but their success is Pareto distributed, not Normally distributed.

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Post by motoxpro »

tracerbulletx wrote: post #16
delichon wrote: post #4

I think I would buy "yes" shares in a Polymarket event that predicts a motion picture created by a single person grossing more than $100M by 2027.

Everyone keeps ignoring supply and demand when talking about the impacts of AI. Let's just assume it really gets so good you can do this and it doesn't suck. Yes the costs will get so low that there will be almost no barrier to making content but if there is no barrier to making content, the ROI will be massive, and so everyone will be doing it, you can more or less have the exact movie you want in your head on deman…

Totally agree.

This is what Instagram and YouTube did and we got MrBeast and Kylie Jenner making billions of dollars. The cost of creating content is tapping record on your phone and the traditional "quality" as defined by visuals doesn't matter (see Quibi). Viral videos are selfies recorded in the bedroom.

When you lower the barrier to entry things get more heterogeneous, not less. So you have bigger outcomes, not smaller, because the playing field expands. TikTok's inside was built on surfacing the 1 good video from a pool of 10s of millions. The platforms that surface the best content will be even more important.

It's a little disheartening, I think, for people to think that the only reason they can't be creative is money, time, or technical skill, but in reality, it's just that they aren't that creative.

So yes, everyone can create content in a world of AI, but not everyone is a good content creator/director/artist (or has the vision), same as it is now.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by Rebelgecko »

torginus wrote: post #36

I am not really technical in this domain, but why is everything text-to-X? Wouldn't it be possible to draw a rough sketch of a terrain, drop a picture of the character, draw a 3D spline for the walk path, while having a traditional keyframe style editor, and give certain points some keyframe actions (like character A turns on his flashlight at frame 60) - in short, something that allows minute creative control just l…

You can do image+text as well (although maybe the results are better if you do raw image to prompted image to video?)
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