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DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication
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#32The application of modern LLM technology to animal communication is exciting.
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#33Wow, there's a lot of cynicism in this thread, even for HN. Regardless of whether or not it works perfectly, surely we can all relate to the childhood desire to 'speak' to animals at one point or another? You can call it a waste of resources or someones desperate attempt at keeping their job if you want, but these are marine biologists. I imagine cross species communication would be a major achievement and seems like…
Gemini supposedly allows for conversational speech w/your data. Have you tried it? We have; it's laughably bad and can't get the most basic stuff right from a well-crafted datamart. If it can't do the most basic stuff, please explain to be how in the fuck it is going to understand dolphin language and why would should believe its results anyway?
"We couldn't make something work, so nobody can make anything work" is also a claim you can make, yes.
It's rather unsound reasoning, but you certainly can.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
This can easily be done by giving that prompt to chatgpt and allowing the child to ask it follow up questions.
The word is just a 'pointer' to the underlying shared experience, so I don't think you could; the kid would come away thinking red is the same thing as the feeling of splinters or the warmth of a sunset, which isn't what red is, those are just feelings maybe associated with red. That said - I'm actually pretty confident we'll be able to have basic "conversations" made of basic snippets of information with dolphins an…
Very poetically put and absolutely agree.
For the subset of shared experiences and emotions this should be possible, not only that, I feel that we must try (as in, it's a moral/ ethical obligation).
Training an ML on dialogues alone will not be enough. One would need to spend a lot of time to build up a wealth of shared experiences, so that one can learn the mapping/correspondence.
Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication
#35Wow, there's a lot of cynicism in this thread, even for HN. Regardless of whether or not it works perfectly, surely we can all relate to the childhood desire to 'speak' to animals at one point or another? You can call it a waste of resources or someones desperate attempt at keeping their job if you want, but these are marine biologists. I imagine cross species communication would be a major achievement and seems like…
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Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication
#36Wow, there's a lot of cynicism in this thread, even for HN. Regardless of whether or not it works perfectly, surely we can all relate to the childhood desire to 'speak' to animals at one point or another? You can call it a waste of resources or someones desperate attempt at keeping their job if you want, but these are marine biologists. I imagine cross species communication would be a major achievement and seems like…
Don’t understand the cynicism either. Is this not way cooler than the latest pre-revenue series F marketing copy slop bot startup?
To me this task looks less like next token prediction language modeling and more like translating a single “word” at a time into English. It’s a pretty tractable problem. The harder parts probably come from all the messiness of hearing and playing sounds underwater.
I would imagine adapting to new vocab would be pretty clunky in an LLM based system. It would be interesting if it were able to add new words in real time.
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#37The only output I'll believe from this is "So long, and thanks for all the fish!"
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#39This looks like a marine biologist desperately wanted to keep their job in spite of the "nothing that's not AI" mandate so they made up some bullshit.
That is a surprisingly cynical take; the marine biologists in question seemed pretty enthusiastic in the video!
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
That might only get to a point that there is an understanding that something called "chrome red" exists. But for a blind child who isn't exposed to the concept of vision, let alone color. It's just a name and relations with other names. That lacks semantics. Without grounding in some form of experience one can learn grammar and syntax but not understanding. "Chrome red" is a whole lot easier to teach than say the con…
I'm not sure what you are trying to argue. That it's impossible to translate between blind and sighted people because they don't "truley" experience color? That's clearly not the case. Even with emotions different languages independently came up with words for them and we can still translate between those languages.
I elaborated here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43684124
> Even with emotions different languages independently came up with words for them and we can still translate between those languages.
Of course. That's a no-brainer that different human languages have come up with names for experiences they share.
The hard part is learning the correspondence between say two nouns in different languages that mean the same thing.
Its perfectly possible for an unsupervised ML to use the French word 'rouge' in a French sentence but the notion that 'rouge' corresponds to 'red' in English has to come from some shared grounded experience/emotion.
The French word x word relationship graph has to get connected to the English word x word relationship graph.
BTW for people born deaf and blind it's an enormous challenge just to get to the point where the person understand that things have names. For example for Hellen Keller, it was a very non-trivial event when it finally clicked that the wet sensation she was feeling had a correspondence with what her teacher was writing on her arm. They were lucky that wet was an experience that was common between her and her teacher, lucky that Hellen Keller could experience wetness. Someone or something has to play the same role for dolphins and us. Just a corpus will not suffice.