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Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by simiones »

briandear wrote: post #15
l3x wrote: post #13

Recent article on him in the London Review of Books, exploring his rightward turn as he grew older: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n05/tony-wood/why-did-he...

Fairly biased article: “In 2018, he celebrated Lula’s imprisonment in Brazil on dubious corruption charges, and the following year exulted in the right-wing coup that deposed Evo Morales in Bolivia. Since then he has voiced his support for far-right candidates such as José Antonio Kast in Chile and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil…” “Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a brib…

Lula's convictions were all overturned by the Supreme Court, so no, we shouldn't believe that he did the things he is accused of. Note that Bolsanaro was already in power when this happened, so there is little reason to suspect him of wielding power over the courts or anything like that.

And just because you're opposing a far right extremist like Bolsanaro doesn't make you a far left politician. For example, Le Pen is a far right extremist politician, but Macron is definitely not far left (though Jean-Luc Melanchon, the third place in the previous election, could rightly be called a far left candidate).

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by pasquinelli »

briandear wrote: post #15
l3x wrote: post #13

Recent article on him in the London Review of Books, exploring his rightward turn as he grew older: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n05/tony-wood/why-did-he...

Fairly biased article: “In 2018, he celebrated Lula’s imprisonment in Brazil on dubious corruption charges, and the following year exulted in the right-wing coup that deposed Evo Morales in Bolivia. Since then he has voiced his support for far-right candidates such as José Antonio Kast in Chile and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil…” “Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a brib…

> Does anyone actually do any neutral reporting or analysis?

no, of course not, what a silly question. you think people are falling over themselves to tell you how things are for your sake?

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by caioariede »

briandear wrote: post #15
l3x wrote: post #13

Recent article on him in the London Review of Books, exploring his rightward turn as he grew older: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n05/tony-wood/why-did-he...

Fairly biased article: “In 2018, he celebrated Lula’s imprisonment in Brazil on dubious corruption charges, and the following year exulted in the right-wing coup that deposed Evo Morales in Bolivia. Since then he has voiced his support for far-right candidates such as José Antonio Kast in Chile and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil…” “Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a brib…

You lost it at the far left/right part. Lula is far left only for the people who believe in the fight the communism plot. For the majority, he is much more aligned with the center, so called “centrão”, so much that neither the leftists are pleased with him anymore.

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by pasquinelli »

next_xibalba wrote: post #21
briandear wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fairly biased article: “In 2018, he celebrated Lula’s imprisonment in Brazil on dubious corruption charges, and the following year exulted in the right-wing coup that deposed Evo Morales in Bolivia. Since then he has voiced his support for far-right candidates such as José Antonio Kast in Chile and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil…” “Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a brib…

The media's use of the the term "far right" for democratically elected politicians is actually a really useful tell. They are unintentionally signaling how biased they are. Either: "This politician, who received millions of votes is very far right of me (I am very far to the left)." Or: "I am the center of the left-right spectrum, and this politician who received millions of votes is quite a ways to the right of me (…

so, it doesn't tell you much.

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by ses1984 »

next_xibalba wrote: post #21
briandear wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fairly biased article: “In 2018, he celebrated Lula’s imprisonment in Brazil on dubious corruption charges, and the following year exulted in the right-wing coup that deposed Evo Morales in Bolivia. Since then he has voiced his support for far-right candidates such as José Antonio Kast in Chile and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil…” “Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a brib…

The media's use of the the term "far right" for democratically elected politicians is actually a really useful tell. They are unintentionally signaling how biased they are. Either: "This politician, who received millions of votes is very far right of me (I am very far to the left)." Or: "I am the center of the left-right spectrum, and this politician who received millions of votes is quite a ways to the right of me (…

if someone is democratically elected they can’t have en extreme ideology?

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by gota »

briandear wrote: post #15
l3x wrote: post #13

Recent article on him in the London Review of Books, exploring his rightward turn as he grew older: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n05/tony-wood/why-did-he...

Fairly biased article: “In 2018, he celebrated Lula’s imprisonment in Brazil on dubious corruption charges, and the following year exulted in the right-wing coup that deposed Evo Morales in Bolivia. Since then he has voiced his support for far-right candidates such as José Antonio Kast in Chile and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil…” “Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a brib…

Lula is not far left by any reasonable definition of both "far" and "left"

> Did Lula not do that?

I'm not an expert and not that knowledgeable about the case but it seems to me the accusation -famously- stated things like "We have no hard proof" (...) "(but) we are convinced he did it"

Again - if the accusation states 'We have no proof', under assumption of innocence, yeah; he "didn't do it"

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by m0llusk »

icar wrote: post #36

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But first a Communist revolutionary. Interesting and also kind of unfortunate that those who seek fundamental change in political formulations seem frequently to thrash about like this. Moderate incrementalism doesn't get as much attention or press but seems a highly competitive alternative.

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by scythe »

briandear wrote: post #15
l3x wrote: post #13

Recent article on him in the London Review of Books, exploring his rightward turn as he grew older: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n05/tony-wood/why-did-he...

Fairly biased article: “In 2018, he celebrated Lula’s imprisonment in Brazil on dubious corruption charges, and the following year exulted in the right-wing coup that deposed Evo Morales in Bolivia. Since then he has voiced his support for far-right candidates such as José Antonio Kast in Chile and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil…” “Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a brib…

>Also Bolsonaro was termed “far right,” but Lula not called “far left?”

Bolsonaro was such an unbelievably terrible president that The Economist, that infamous right-wing rag (full disclosure: I am a long-time subscriber), endorsed Lula against him in 2018. If you're going to complain "does anyone care any more?" about a loss of common sense in politics, you probably shouldn't pair that complaint with a defense of Jair Bolsonaro, of all people.

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by ghostDancer »

tirant wrote: post #26
l3x wrote: post #13

Recent article on him in the London Review of Books, exploring his rightward turn as he grew older: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n05/tony-wood/why-did-he...

Many prominent figures in Latin America and Spain turned away from socialist and communist positions after experiencing their effects: Guillermo Cabrera Infante, Octavio Paz (also Nobel Prize), Fernando Savater, Jorge Edwards, Jorge Luis Borges, Teodoro Petkoff...

Savater has not experienced socialism, Spain has never been socialist, Savater has been always someone in great need of attention and joins anyone who gives him that. And the Spain's fascism has give him that. I've seen it since He was teaching in University In San Sebastian and was easier to find him in certain bars and in the horse races than at his work.
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