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Tailscale has raised $160M

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Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by nickzelei »

mrbonner wrote: post #23

Does anybody encounter issues with DNS after installing tailscale with it's MagicDNS enabled? It drives me nuts because my entire network just stops working. I removed tailscale but still won't be able to connect to my Ubuntu server.

I've had issues with tailscale dns for a while where I'll wake my mac up and the dns will just not work until I disable tailscale. I can then re-enable it and everything continues to work.

I logged a bug about it and the latest versions this seems to have gone away. I also moved away from the mac store variant and into the standalone. Not sure if that helped either.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by specialp »

elAhmo wrote: post #2

When I saw the new round, I was instantly worried about change in direction that will most likely come with this, and effectively drive away regular users from a tool that seems universally loved. Similar sentiment can be seen in the discussion from three years ago [1] when they raised $100M. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31259950

There are plenty of enterprises that will pay them to run their services and provide better integrations while allowing open source users to continue. Now people will get upset because some of these things will be for those customers only but it is very hard to keep developing these things and give them out for free. Partially open source still allows those to extend the work they give to the community and they will probably still continue to have a free tier to get more enterprise customers in the end.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by ignoramous » 

  When we started Tailscale in 2019, we weren't even sure we wanted to be a venture-backed company. We just wanted to fix networking. Or, more specifically, make networking disappear — reduce the number of times anyone had to think about NAT traversal or VPN configurations ever again.
Isn't logtail what got Avery et al started?

https://github.com/tailscale/tailscale/tree/main/logtail

https://apenwarr.ca/log/20190216 / https://archive.vn/xlsA1

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by belthesar »

geenat wrote: post #25

IMHO they should be a good steward and toss the Wireguard guy a mil considering Tailscale is pretty much Wireguard with a GUI on top.

Tailscale is definitely more than "Wireguard with a GUI", but I don't think that diminishes your point that Tailscale, if they're not already, would be great stewards if they were contributing more than code back to the Wireguard project.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by aborsy »

geenat wrote: post #25

IMHO they should be a good steward and toss the Wireguard guy a mil considering Tailscale is pretty much Wireguard with a GUI on top.

This is not correct. Wireguard establishes a tunnel between peer A and B, and its simplicity stops there. Tailscale does tons of complex networking, filtering, nat traversal, DNS, file sharing, etc. Wireguard is a small part of the codebase today, which has grown a lot.

It’s a bit like saying Dropbox is just a GUI on top of TLS.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by briffle »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #12

Good. This lets them receive some of the value they’ve created (they should get paid!) and gives certainty they won’t go out of business. Which means more Tailscale now and in future! If they turn evil (unlikely with the current folks there) they’ve written up / open sourced plenty of what got them to this point. Don’t capture all the value you create. But you should try to capture some .

The same thing has been said about many other companies taking on VC Money. Someday, those investors are going to want to see a return on that investment. Its going to take focus and determination to not just ship enshittification as a feature..

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by tmpz22 »

If they had taken just say $40 million would they be able to sustain their project for the foreseeable future and perhaps not yield as much future product direction and equity?

I honestly don't know how this big dealmaking works but it strikes me that when you take out this big of an obligation that the obligation has a gravity that may drag you in a direction you (or consumers) do not want to go.

Love Tailscale as a product (as does everyone I talk to) but genuinely want to learn more about the trade-offs as usually when we see big dollar signs all we do is celebrate.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by [deleted] »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #19
braginini wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try netbird which is an open-source alternative to free yourself from worries xD https://github.com/netbirdio/netbird

I've always been on the outside looking in, so I've never used Tailscale or its open-source brethren. Would this service be comparable to Headscale[0]? [0] https://github.com/juanfont/headscale

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Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by brunoqc »

sshine wrote: post #9

so tailscale is selling out that was disappointing at least the current software is open source, so others can fork it before it closes down on itself and enshittifies.

> at least the current software is open source

Not the server.

headscale is nice, but it's not an official project.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by infinghxsg »

aborsy wrote: post #35
geenat wrote: post #25

IMHO they should be a good steward and toss the Wireguard guy a mil considering Tailscale is pretty much Wireguard with a GUI on top.

This is not correct. Wireguard establishes a tunnel between peer A and B, and its simplicity stops there. Tailscale does tons of complex networking, filtering, nat traversal, DNS, file sharing, etc. Wireguard is a small part of the codebase today, which has grown a lot. It’s a bit like saying Dropbox is just a GUI on top of TLS.

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