They changed the chocolate recipe in East Germany because they didn't have the ingredients. At one point they sold "chocolate" made of fish meal.
Interesting. Source?
Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
These types of arguments are so tiresome. As if the only thing anyone on the entire planet is trying to do is decrease the carbon footprint of a Hershey's bar. If we wait around for a the panacea of solutions, we'll be wiped out as a species well before that solution hits (sadly human extinction seems to be that panacea solution). Instead, people do whatever they can where they can. I can choose to use a stainless st…
Try working out the math. I’m a little tired of your argument. You are wrong. We really do need to address the really big things.
The person behind choviva is not in a position to change China's coal usage or US freight rail uptake. Neither are you and neither am I. Should we just do nothing?
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#33This is classic deck-chair reorg, instead of actually helping the environment. China outputs gigatons of coal smoke. The US ships goods by individual trucks that could travel by train for a fraction of the fuel usage. We dispose of millions of plastic, floating pieces of trash in our oceans. But if we slightly decrease the carbon footprint of a Hershey's bar, we'll be OK. I use a stainless steel straw, so I'm doing m…
These types of arguments are so tiresome. As if the only thing anyone on the entire planet is trying to do is decrease the carbon footprint of a Hershey's bar. If we wait around for a the panacea of solutions, we'll be wiped out as a species well before that solution hits (sadly human extinction seems to be that panacea solution). Instead, people do whatever they can where they can. I can choose to use a stainless st…
Now you're tilting at imaginary windmills. No one is "telling me what I can and cannot do because you disagree."
I'm simply pointing out it has zero net effect on the problem. It's like trying to stop an island from being flooded by rising sea levels, using a bucket brigade. It's not "better than doing nothing!"; it is doing something that achieves nothing.
Go ahead with your buckets if you want to. Buy them in pretty colors with flowers around the top. Have fun.
But it won't stop the tide.
Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions
#34This is classic deck-chair reorg, instead of actually helping the environment. China outputs gigatons of coal smoke. The US ships goods by individual trucks that could travel by train for a fraction of the fuel usage. We dispose of millions of plastic, floating pieces of trash in our oceans. But if we slightly decrease the carbon footprint of a Hershey's bar, we'll be OK. I use a stainless steel straw, so I'm doing m…
Absolutely. No fucking way am I giving up chocolate for anything so it’s just a moot point and a funny read.
Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
These types of arguments are so tiresome. As if the only thing anyone on the entire planet is trying to do is decrease the carbon footprint of a Hershey's bar. If we wait around for a the panacea of solutions, we'll be wiped out as a species well before that solution hits (sadly human extinction seems to be that panacea solution). Instead, people do whatever they can where they can. I can choose to use a stainless st…
Try working out the math. I’m a little tired of your argument. You are wrong. We really do need to address the really big things.
The world invested $2.1 trillion in the clean energy transition in 2024. We are doing the big things.
https://about.bnef.com/blog/global-investment-in-the-energy-...
Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions
#36This is classic deck-chair reorg, instead of actually helping the environment. China outputs gigatons of coal smoke. The US ships goods by individual trucks that could travel by train for a fraction of the fuel usage. We dispose of millions of plastic, floating pieces of trash in our oceans. But if we slightly decrease the carbon footprint of a Hershey's bar, we'll be OK. I use a stainless steel straw, so I'm doing m…
A lot of things are happening, this company is just doing a little part of it and that's alright.
China have ambitious plans to carbon neutral by 2050 and the US had plans to... ok maybe the US is a bit stuck for the moment but it seems like at least some states seem to care.
What's important is that people show that investing in environmental-friendly companies is worthwhile. Right now that is not usually the case unless there's some kind of state/government incentive. And no, incentives are not bad since the option of polluting also has a cost, the only difference is that the cost of polluting is a long-term loan that it growing and is already hard to pay off.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think you can sell a luxury brand without a luxury story behind it. The creation of a substitute good in times of high cacao prices is the opposite of a luxury.
Luxurious margins make it possible to promote a luxury story. Think like Häagen-Dazs. > "Häagen-Dazs" is an invented pseudo-Scandinavian phrase coined by the American Reuben Mattus, in a quest for a brand name that he claimed was Danish-sounding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A4agen-Dazs
Yeah, but Häagen-Dazs is actually quite good (as far as commercial store-bought goes), even in blind taste tests...
Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions
#38why not replace the sugar with stevia?
I’ve tried supposedly luxury chocolate with Stevia. It was horrible.
Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Try working out the math. I’m a little tired of your argument. You are wrong. We really do need to address the really big things.
The world invested $2.1 trillion in the clean energy transition in 2024. We are doing the big things. https://about.bnef.com/blog/global-investment-in-the-energy-...
Cool but I'd wish we measure the output vs how much we spend, as it's frequently dumped into a black hole with little to show for it.
Re: Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions
#40This is classic deck-chair reorg, instead of actually helping the environment. China outputs gigatons of coal smoke. The US ships goods by individual trucks that could travel by train for a fraction of the fuel usage. We dispose of millions of plastic, floating pieces of trash in our oceans. But if we slightly decrease the carbon footprint of a Hershey's bar, we'll be OK. I use a stainless steel straw, so I'm doing m…
These types of arguments are so tiresome. As if the only thing anyone on the entire planet is trying to do is decrease the carbon footprint of a Hershey's bar. If we wait around for a the panacea of solutions, we'll be wiped out as a species well before that solution hits (sadly human extinction seems to be that panacea solution). Instead, people do whatever they can where they can. I can choose to use a stainless st…
> If we wait around for a the panacea of solutions, we'll be wiped out as a species well before that solution hits (sadly human extinction seems to be that panacea solution).
I don't think this sort of hyperbole helps either. We could double down on carbon emissions to double the worst projections and humans would still be in no risk of being wiped out. Sure it would really suck for a lot of people, but our species would survive. We've survived much worse.